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Post #16824 Posted 3/15/2007 1:05:44 PM


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I had a lot of problems when trying to load with Irfanview, a Very Large EMF file which was created by Genopro. The results were very poor.

I contacted Irfanview support about this problem. At first, they were thinking that the problem is with my graphic card or with the graphic driver. It may be so, but unlikely on my opinion, because I had the same problem on many computers.

Then they wrote me this:

I tested it in PaintShopPro 7 too.

The REAL problem here is, the EMF writer is bad.
There is NO real image size defined in the file header, so a program
can say the result size and load the EMF in XxY pixels!
(PSP 7 says: unknown width/height)

Ok, now, we know the mystery :-)

Can it be that there is a problem with the Genopro EMF generator?

Post #16825 Posted 3/15/2007 1:11:16 PM


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beraha (3/15/2007)
Can it be that there is a problem with the Genopro EMF generator?

It is possible.  GenoPro does store the dimension of the metafile, however this value is often ignored.  I remember having difficulties with this value from the Win9x and the Windows NT.

One thing for sure, is a very large metafile cannot be converted into bitmap because it takes too much memory.  IrfanView converts everything in a bitmap before displaying it.  If your metafile is 50,000 by 20,000, then the bitmap would be 1,000,000,000 pixels which cannot fit in memory (assuming 32 bits colors). There is no easy solution to this.

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Beraha:

Have you tried inserting the file into a VECTOR graphics application like Corel Draw?
Have you tried inserting the image into a Word document?
Irfanview and other image processors convert the EMF to a BITMAP which chews up memory.
VECTOR graphics stores data as end point co-ordinates and draws the lines , arcs between points - it is much more memory efficient and you don't get the "jaggies".
Post #16840 Posted 3/17/2007 12:05:54 AM


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Barry Graham (3/15/2007)
Have you tried inserting the file into a VECTOR graphics application like Corel Draw?

when trying to load or import an EMF file created by Genopro to Coreldraw12, you get a massege: "Invalid file format"

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beraha (3/17/2007)
when trying to load or import an EMF file created by Genopro to Coreldraw12, you get a massege: "Invalid file format"

Humm, this is not good.  Can you try creating a .EMF file using another software and try to import it to CorelDRAW 12?  There are two scenarios: 1) GenoPro produces an invalid .emf file, or 2) CorelDRAW cannot import a valid .emf file.

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Barry Graham (3/15/2007)
Beraha:

Have you tried inserting the file into a VECTOR graphics application like Corel Draw? 

I have tried to open an EMF in Corel 8 but always get the message that there is insufficient memory (I have 2Gigas of DDR and no other programs open at the time)

Post #16848 Posted 3/17/2007 1:21:30 PM


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I tried to load a Genopro's EMF file on Acdsee8.  The file loads OK (Not as a "bitmap" like in Irfanview) and it is possible to make a "zoom-in" without any quality reduction. BUT - When trying to save this EMF as a PNG - There is a CRASH and the program is closed.
Post #16849 Posted 3/17/2007 1:32:15 PM


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In addition:

I created a new EMF file with Coreldraw12.

Then I opened it in Acdsee8 and converted it to PNG without any problem. the only problem was with EMF files which were created by genopro.

Post #16990 Posted 3/23/2007 11:53:50 AM


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Here is another reply from Irfanview Support about the Problem with the EMF files.

Hi,


Nice, but the problem fix is simple ;-)
The EMF writer should writer correct or smaller image dimensions,
like any other good EMF writer.

As I said, PaintShopPro 7 says: Unknown dimensions during loading =>
something is wrong in the EMF.

==> The problem is not IrfanView or PaintShopPro, the problem is the
program, which create such EMFs <==

The image size is usually written in the file header, but in this
case, there is either no right size there or a very large size.

The maker program is not writing the dimensions properly, so you have
the problem.

If IrfanView can't load the saved size, it will try a smaller size,
sou can have at least an image as result.

It seems that the problem is with "Genopro EMF generator", and not a problem of drivers or memory.

Dan, Can you fix that??

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Try to convert with the following program in the meantime:
http://www.shibaguchi.com/molip/metaconverte.html
Post #17003 Posted 3/24/2007 7:08:15 AM


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maru-san (3/23/2007)
Try to convert with the following program in the meantime:
http://www.shibaguchi.com/molip/metaconverte.html

Thank you so Much maru-san 

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I tried: http://www.shibaguchi.com/molip/metaconverte.html but when I open my EMF file it says: "The window does not have scroll bars" and the program doesn't load the metafile. The file is 40.000*10.000 pixel.
What can I do?
Post #17823 Posted 5/22/2007 9:13:17 AM


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Here is another reply from Irfanview support about this issue:

>Hi
>About the problem with large EMF on Irfanview, I found another small
>program that open large emf like the attached file with no problems.
>Irfanview opens that file very small and unreadable.
>
>
>maybe it can help you finding a solution to that problem on Irfanview
>
>Best regards
>Kobi

Hi,

Sorry, as I said, this is not a bug in IrfanView, this is a bug in
the EMF creatir program.

There are several ways to load an EMF, some methods work better with
such EMFs, some not.

If the program is smart enough and write proper image dimensions in
the EMF header, it will work always

as Maru-san said before, the program at  www.shibaguchi.com/molip/metaconverte.html

works great to load large EMF created by Genopro. (Thank you again Maru-san   )

So for now, it's not so urgent to fix the "so called a bug" at the Genopro Emf creatir

However, for the future, I think it would be impotent to think of a solution, that ENF files from Genopro will open properly  on such a famous program like Irfanview.

Post #21531 Posted 4/28/2008 10:48:35 PM
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Hi All,

I have read these posts with great interest since I have also concluded there is something wrong with the Genopro EMF renderer.

For some years, I used Paintshop8 with both Genopro1 and Genopro2 and sucessfully exported trees and converted them to raster formats for my projects.

I updated to "Jasc PaintshopPro9" and found it would not reproduce the circles representing female gender (the lines and square male symbols were OK). Although I preferrred PSP9, I kept PSP8 especially to render the Genopro EMF trees but it does hog a lot of disk space.

More recently I installed a trial version of "PSP Photo 12" now marketed by Corel and this had the same fault as PSP9.

I have tried in vain to get any support from Corel - they will not answer email or provide a space such as this for comment.

I have tried "Metafile Converter" (www.shibaguchi.com/molip/metaconverte.html) and found this works up to a point but the label fonts have such a strong dose of antialias that the lettering is too blurred to read.

I have also tried Inkscape which will not even look at an EMF file from Genopro.

From what I read in this forum, the fault probably lies with Genopro whose headers may not be compatible with the more fussy (or stricter standards) photo rendering programs.

GenoPro is a superb genealogy program but if the problem with EMF files cannot fixed, would it be possible to provide an export format in WMF or maybe SVG which seems to be acceptable to the more sophisticated photo programs.

David Gardiner
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I've just discovered that this forum accepts pictures so below is a genpro export as rendered by PaintshopPro 9 & 12. Note how the gender circle of Margaret Addison is missing.

David Gardiner

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Have you tried exporting to SVG using this skin Export to SVG for PDF - print your GenoMaps


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Post #21553 Posted 4/30/2008 7:59:33 PM
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Thanks for that tip.

I tried your SVG report script with mixed results. I used it to report to a SVG file and picked it up with Inkscape. Using Inkscape to export to PNG format worked fine.

I'm afraid the SVG files were not very readable by Paintshop Pro. Results at native picture size came out blank but I got partial images when I altered the picture size before importing.

I did try using Inkscape to export the SVG file to EMF format - this imported into PSP Pro but the transparent label borders showed as did that page frame which displays on Inkscape (I couldn't find any way of turning this off). Also some of the text was displaced.

Below is part of this Inkscape to PSP mess.

I can only conclude that PSP Pro is not geared correctly for EMF and SVG files and that Inkscape is - Or are there many standards for these vector graphics???

Maybe the Genopro experts could check out the problem or maybe provide an export module to make normal raster files.

Regards,

David Gardiner

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Please note that your are here in the Forum of GenoPro and not in one of those other sophisticated photo programs (your words). What you are showing us is something created in other programs and not in GenoPro.
In the beginning there were a few problems with creating proper SVG files, but I think most of them have been solved and the export from Inkscape as PNG file or as PDF file can be done, as you have realized and confirmed.
If there is a problem with exporting/importing among those other photo programs, you should ask those programmers to look into their coding.
As far as we know GenoPro will look into the possibility of exporting the charts in other formats than EMF, but the timetable for this is up to GenoPro.
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I've just discovered that this forum accepts pictures so below is a genpro export as rendered by PaintshopPro 9 & 12. Note how the gender circle of Margaret Addison is missing.

David Gardiner

 

I'm using (www.shibaguchi.com/molip/metaconverte.html)  to convert large EMF to PNG and have no problems at all with the "gender circle"

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Yes, I have also used "metaconvert" but if you magnify the small print in the labels, you'll see that the antialiasing significantly blurrs some groups of letters.

David G

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