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There are some cases where we know the exact relationship between two individuals (e.g. that they are third cousins) but we don't know how they are actually linked (through grandwhatever A? grandwhatever B? etc.).
I would find it handy to be able to link, perhaps with a dotted/colored/thin line, two such individuals and specify their relationship, a line on which the exact relationship may be displayed. I.e. a link for disconnected branches.
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I have 2-3 examples such as this in my family and I just leave them as small brunches floating here and there, which doesn't look very good. :?
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I don't understand what you mean. GenoPro Beta can add any type of family link, with optional color. Can you elaborate?
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This is essentially the same request as the "Relationship" post I placed earlier.
In order to build a tree, we sometimes have the relationship details missing. However, we want to place what we DO have on the tree. Using a direct relationship and coloring it (e.g. parent, but colored blue for some reason), does not explain what the relationship is all about.
I think that Stefanos hit it on the button regarding how to approach this subject. A new "Other Relationship" should appear along with Parents, Mate, etc. This Other Relationship should then allow any to any connection, with a special line (dotted is fine), and perhaps text attached to it.
Danny
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Thanks for clarifying. I see what you mean. This is an excellent suggestion. I need to think if this should be a variant of the emotional relationship or a brand new class of relationships.
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When considering this issue, one should take into account the various possibilties that can come up:
1. An actual (kin) relationship - e.g. cousin, anscestor, etc.
2. An emotional relationship such as teacher or mentor
Danny
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Exactly. This is why I wonder where to put this kind of link. Clearly, it would be wrong to use the pedigree link to fulfill that function. The emotional link, maybe renamed to something else, can do the work nicely. The report generator would be capable to include them in the report too 8)
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Exactly. This is why I wonder where to put this kind of link. Clearly, it would be wrong to use the pedigree link to fulfill that function. The emotional link, maybe renamed to something else, can do the work nicely. The report generator would be capable to include them in the report too 8)
Well, it's up to Dan of course to decide, but actually I was talking about blood relationships. Let's not forget that this is a family tree and the primary issue is genealogy, with which GenoPro deals very, very successfully. Anything additional is welcome, but remains secondary (IMHO).
Of course, I do believe that in the emotional relationships feature (a very nice thing) there is room for improvement and extension to emotional as well as non-emotional elements.
As far as emotional elements are concerned, I would personally like to see the addition of:
* (simple) "X likes/liked Y"
* (simple) "X dislikes/disliked Y"
* a term for "X hanging out with Y" (I don't know a more proper expression for that) without necessarily being intimate
* "X looks/looked down on Y"
* a "favorite child" link, and
* a "favorite grandchild" link.
Regarding non-emotional elements,
* "X mentor of Y" (mentioned by rdn)
* "X submissive to Y" (it's a question of power, not of emotions).
The borders are not always clear. Looking down on someone or admiring someone does not necessarily imply the respective feelings. Sometimes it's actually the opposite. It might be difficult (I don't know) to rename the term and remove the word "emotional", however it could simply extend to include other aspects of relationship between two individuals, dealing with power, psychology, evaluation, etc.
BTW, can't wait for GP2. 
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Going back in a family history you often get to a position where a direct link to an ancestor can not be certain but is possible. GenoPro 2 can be used to make such a link using the Emotional link - other. The usual situation is that from different data sources information suggests that there is an equivalence, but not this is not yet proven.
This is evident on the GenoGram as the link shows a '?' on it, and so the data on each side of the link can be inspected.
The question for the future is how will the Report Generator deal with this. The use of hyperlinks to 'climb' a family tree is great; how will it deal with such probale branches?
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Having thought about this issue a bit, I think that the emotional relationship is not where I would place this additional "Other" or "Unknown" kin-type relationship.
The reason is that the emotional relationship, as created in V.2 is another layer, beyond the blood-relationship. This emotional relationship should be retained in this additional layer, as it adds a great deal of description in graphical format.
In other words, it seems that I am searching for a new type of pedigree or kin relationship. On top of this relationship, I would add the emotional aspect. For example, an unknown relationship exists for an anscestor, e.g. three generations back. However, there is great admiration that one person has for this anscestor. Given the scenario here, a blood-type relationship would be created, with a special line that denotes uncertain relationship (along with a label describing what is known), plus an emotional link can be added on top of this.
Reports would reflect this new relationship, both in the blood-line as well as in the emotional aspect.
Given this solution, additional problems will be solved. For example, with a line of leaders or rulers, a connection can be established between them, without requiring true blood relations. This would include kings who have taken over a throne, but are not related to previous kings. In such an instance, a relationship does appear in a vertical format, but no requirement for blood relations will be required. On top of such a connection, an emotional content can be added (and shown graphically), such as intense dislike, etc.
In another instance, take a series of teachers of a school of thought (e.g. Greek philosophers). In such a case, one teacher is the mentor of the next, and would be lined up one after the other. On top of such a graphical listing, an emotional relationship can be added, for example, a third-generation teacher holds a first-generation teacher in high esteem, etc.
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I wanted to add a niece to a family (found in a census - rest of family to be searched for). The Emotional relationship/Other provided a mechanism but is it fully working yet? Under the Properties panel is the comment
'A relationship not defined in the list. Use a comment to elaborate on the details of the relationship.'
Problem is that the comment box is greyed out and can not be edited.
I have used the Tag Editor to add a Custom Tag to the Emotional Relationship. However I can not see how to add any sort of label, nor how to change the colour of the line (using 2.11h). As my first attempt at Tag editing I have to confess to not knowing what other effects there might be.
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