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By bogistad - Monday, May 13, 2013

I have been aGenoPro user from almost the beginning and I have enjoyed countless hours researchingand using it to set up my family tree and introducing others to it. My effortshave been rewarded with my ultimate aim, the publishing of a book on my familygenealogy, which would have been impossible to produce without GenoPro.

I have now reachedthe point where I must make a decision. My two sons are reaching the age wherethey may have children and are starting to show more of an interest in our tree.I would like to pass onto them the results of my labours but also on a platformwhich has a future with the potential for ongoing development and regularreleases. I ask myself the question “is it time to move on?”.

It has been sometime since the last release and I have no idea when we can expect the next oneor what will be included in that. A number of customers in the past have soughtanswers to the same questions and asked for a development plan (I myself askedfor one back in 2009!) with little or no response from the developers. The “Suggestion,Wish List and Feature Requests” thread is full of ideas from customers requestingchanges, corrections, improvements, etc., which are rarely even commented on.There are reasonable requests here going back years with not even an indicationof whether they will ever be actioned or not.

It has also been noticeablethat some of the regular, established members of the forum no longer contribute.I also feel that the input from the developers into the forum has also dropped,with the major contributions coming from Ron and Appleshaw. Is there a generalfeeling that GenoPro is dying and have others already moved on?

I and the otherpurchasers of GenoPro have done so in good faith with the expectation of regularupgrades and I feel are entitled to know if GenoPro has a future or if theyshould consider moving to another platform. I myself have invested countlesshours into its use and have no desire to move to another product. However, if thereis to be minimal or no development, and releases are to be at the present rate,there may be no option.

Therefore, I wouldlike to request the developers to invest a bit of time in either issuing adevelopment plan for the next few years or at the very least, a seriousstatement of intentions, specifically an honest appraisal how they see thefuture of GenoPro.

By waveydavey49 - Monday, May 13, 2013
First, I love to program, there is nothing else out there like it. It suits me at a simple level of gathering my family tree and I like its visual impact. It would be a shame if it was to lie dead in the water.

But I have some obvious questions. 

How many individuals actually work on the project?

Is the work voluntary or paid?

How many downloads are there, say last year, and how many individuals eventually pay for it.

Does it make enough money to continue development?

Is anyone else considering a similar (looking) product written from scratch say, for tablets, linux, and smart phones. 

It would be sad if it was at the end of its life.

Wavey (David)
By bogistad - Friday, May 24, 2013
I posted my request for an update on the future of GenoPro just under 2 weeks ago. Inexplicably and disappointingly there has been no response whatsoever from the developers. I would have thought that the customers and loyal users of GenoPro would have deserved some clarification of the situation regarding this platform. I can only conclude that there is no longer much interest from the developers to keep their users informed or their requests satisfied. I am even starting to wonder if there is anything happening at all.

I am also surprised that there has been so little support from other users to my request for an update of the situation. Is no one else interested or care anymore about the future of GenoPro?

Significantly, as I write this, there are no active users currently online and the last post was a week ago. These are not good signs!
By genome - Saturday, May 25, 2013
As a long standing supporter of GenoPro I too am puzzled as to why neither Daniel Morin, author/developer/President of GenoPro, nor his brother Jean-Claude, IT Director, have bothered to comment on the future of Genopro either in reply to this post or earlier ones.

We know they moved the familytrees site to a new server recently, at least that indicates some activity and future commitment!

For my part, I am happy to continue provide what support I can via the forum, particularly on issues related to the Report Generator.  I will also continue to maintain the existing report skins I have published here.  I have requested on several occasions that the latest skins are included within a new release of GenoPro but nothing has happened there either.

I also enjoy scripting report skins as a hobby as time permits.  I am working, albeit slowly, on a couple of new 'reports' that are of interest to me.  

The first is to provide a more complete Gedcom import/merge facility in an attempt to avoid the many short-comings of GenoPro's own Gedcom import offering.  

Secondly I am experimenting with interactive svg/html with a view to be able to update .gno files via a browser, thus removing the Windows tie.

I do not expect to have publishable versions of these until late this year at the earliest, but may be never.

But returning to the core GenoPro product, I think we can conclude that there will be no major enhancement to GenoPro in the near future, if at all.  Past experience has shown that development is slow and often overran targets.  I have no idea why the 'collaboration' version of Genopro was suspended/abandoned and no idea if it will ever see the light of day again.

GenoPro still has some unique features, e.g. its graphic interface,multiple linked genomaps/genograms, its Report Generator and its use for psychology and therapy.  In my opinion should be evaluated 'as is' and if fit for the purpose you require now, use it without any expectation of future upgrades, free or otherwise.  If you avoid GenoPro-specific features such as social/emotional relationships, social entities etc. then you are not 'tied-in' to GenoPro.  You can of course use 'Export to Gedcom' to move your data to another package.
By HarryCaper - Saturday, May 25, 2013
GenoPro has most of the features I'd like already, so I'm not exactly champing at the bit for a new release. However, the rest of the IT world moves on - what happens when we get a version of Microsoft Windows that won't run today's GenoPro? Can we expect a release then?

The Report Generator aspect of GenoPro was the feature that led me to choose GenoPro as a platform for storing the results of my genealogy research.

Web standards also move on, so the day will come when the design of the current Narrative Report needs a major ground-up overhaul. Already frames are considered dated, and are not a recommended design choice for new websites.

I've made a few modest contributions to the Narrative Report, but for me the irony about purchasing GenoPro was that this key feature is 99.9% supported by Ron, who I bet receives NO financial compensation for all his hard work.

Ron - you're the only one keeping this product alive and current.

I dread the day when you decide to move on to a different genealogy product.
By jcmorin - Sunday, May 26, 2013
HarryCaper (26-May-2013)
[...] feature is 99.9% supported by Ron, who I bet receives NO financial compensation for all his hard work.

Ron - you're the only one keeping this product alive and current.


Ron do receive financial compensation...
By genome - Sunday, May 26, 2013
Yes I am happy with the arrangement we have.  For the record I was offered a more formal setup with GenoPro in the early days but I prefer the current casual arrangement where I can spend as little or as much time as I choose without commitment from either side.

But Jean-Claude you have read and responded on this thread but you are missing its main topic i.e. bogistad and many more of us would dearly like to know what the future holds for GenoPro

bogistad
Therefore, I would like to request the developers to invest a bit of time in either issuing a development plan for the next few years or at the very least, a serious statement of intentions, specifically an honest appraisal how they see the future of GenoPro.
By Zita - Monday, June 3, 2013
I would suggest: sell the concept. There are still a lot of development opportunities of Genopro and a cash-rich software company should be able to take on this. No futher evolution means the end of this wonderful and unique project.
By appleshaw - Monday, June 3, 2013
Many computer programs have a regular update policy, which can lead to bloated software with a wide range of features that few people use. It is used as a reason (excuse) for asking for extra money and have a larger version number than the competition. I can not remember when I paid my $25, but at that price obviously a long time ago. The existing program does most of what I want, which is not to say that some enhancements are needed. The free program I recommend to beginners is PAF and that has had no development for 10 years. It is still a useful option.

I gave up waiting for the collaborative version and have invested time in webtrees. This has a long development history (via phpgedview) which is important for security when you are opening up your data to other users. As the name implies this uses gedcom as a data storage and import function. As such the limitations that Ron set out are a problem and I am having to use PAF to sort out data for transfer. I listed some of the problems with gedcom import recently but the basic concept is so useful I still use it to look at data.

Looking at the xml file structure this is very similar to a gedcom and as such I would like to see a CHAN tag indicating when data was modified. However I am not holding my breath as a file structure change needs a lot of validation
By bogistad - Saturday, June 22, 2013
genome (26-May-2013)
But Jean-Claude you have read and responded on this thread but you are missing its main topic i.e. bogistad and many more of us would dearly like to know what the future holds for GenoPro


If you can't get a response on this, Ron, the rest of us surely have no hope! Their lack of response is really poor.

Thanks for trying anyway.

Bob.
By BigO - Monday, July 1, 2013
I only "found" GenoPro within the last two weeks after chatting with a social worker returning from training which relied, in part, on the unique genetic illustration characteristics in GenoPro.

I was about to license this app when I found this thread by happenstance.  Now I'm taking a wait and see attitude. 

The licensing fee is more than reasonable, so it's not concern about licensing an abandoned app that's holding me back. It's the cost of my time learning the program and completing the new data it collects on unique characteristics of my family.  And while a GEDCOM is available as an export option, where will that data be readable if the unique fields and relationships recorded and illustrated in GenoPro aren't replicated in another program some time in the future?  That's what's holding me back.

I'm wondering if the authors in fact no longer intend to continue it's development, for whatever reason(s) as seems to be the case by their silence, if they would be willing to sell the app to permit it's continued development?  And if no suitable buyer or price can be located, whether they'd consider contributing it to the public domain as an OpenSource app for continued development by those with the technical expertise to do so?  

It's troubling not knowing what the authors are thinking and their plans for this intriguing app.  So I'll watch before investing my time and effort in this otherwise exciting "treasure."



R
By GenoProSupport - Monday, July 1, 2013
Thank you for your kind words.  I understand your concerns and concur they are fully justified.

During the past 13 years I have been spending time learning sound economics while studying ethics and philosophy.  I also started to become aware of what is going around the world and understanding the "big picture" of the economical and political landscape.  Being discontented with the current situation and the direction of our future, I started searching for solutions, mostly regarding mass poverty around the world and the problem of growing unemployment.

A series of events led me become involved in a special project having the potential to change the economical and political landscape around the world.  This is not a one-man project; rather it is a coordinated team effort of individuals and organizations from all around the world, including prestigious educational institutions and universities.  There is no quick fix for such a massive problem, however technology can do leaps and bounds accelerating improvements.  We are developing a solution for eradicating municipal corruption and giving power to citizens for making more decisions for themselves.  The benefits are lower costs of living and increased quality of public services, both contributing at reducing poverty within the community.  If this solution produces tangible results, then other municipalities will adopt it.  After all, people want to live better and willing to try new technologies if producing improvements.  Like the Internet and/or smart phones, this technology may spread around the world and create communities that are more humane and responsive to their citizens.  The same technology may be applied to state and national level, however I believe this will happen only when the majority of municipalities are already using this technology, and during elections the majority of the population will be explicitly demanding and insisting on using such a technology.

We have a unique window of opportunity for creating such a municipality.  During the past century, there has been only a handful of events leading to similar opportunities.  Since the world political landscape is rather unstable, time is of the essence.  Also there are many powerful institutions vested in the status-quo. As a result, most of our work is not public until we have something tangible to offer to the world.  The solution is an open-source project which will be available for free to anyone wishing to use and modify to their needs.

I am also learning Qt and love it.  I find Qt a comprehensive solution to make an application such as GenoPro available to many platforms (Windows, Macintosh, Linux, Android, Blackberry).

GenoPro is not abandoned however the current focus is this special project.  There are so many hours in a day, and I cannot miss such an opportunity to work on this open source project.  As loyal GenoPro users, I believe you deserve an answer.

-- Daniel.
By BigO - Monday, July 1, 2013
Sure wish I could take credit for Daniel's extensive response.  There are many more amongst this group who have a greater right to reply than do I, but since the world is unfair, I'll do it anyway.

I read your response with interest Daniel. And now we understand your priorities a little better and where your available time is being invested these days.

For what it's worth, I was involved in international development work for some time, and have an inkling about the problems you are hoping to address.  I'm also somewhat skeptical that something with as much potential to substantially reduce or eliminate graft in international development work will be as readily accepted as it should be.  There are just too many vested interests who will be hurt if and when such transparency is more universal.  I'm not saying it can't be done, but without the support of the lenders mandating it's use, I question how readily it will be allowed to grow and expand.  Contact me off line if you want to explore this a little. While fascinating to some, to others it's way, way off topic.

More on point to the issue at hand, however, is how open those involved with developing this application are to divesting themselves of it so it's development doesn't continue to be limited.  Is that something you/they would explore?  And if so, who amongst your loyal followers should be given the opportunity to champion this effort?  

But if that can't be done with a minimum of distractions, how willing would you/they be to continuing the development of the app as an opensource app on something like SourceForge?

Those closest to the development of this program know the community it draws from far better than anyone.  Have you contacted some of the key members of your extended community to see if they have the time and/or technical skill to manage it's continued growth?  

There are a million other hypotheticals one could posit, but if you're hoping to retain control in the hopes the higher priority project will some day come to a close so you can return your focus, it's just a waste of electrons to add them.

Where are you on your thinking, and do those interested in taking a leading role know how to reach you offline so your discussion aren't conducted in a fishbowl.  Transparency is great for some things, but others, not so much.

If you can spare time for a response spelling out a little more about your thinking and how people  could reach you directly, it might move the discussion along.

Either way, many thanks for making the time for your response.

Best,

R
By GenoProSupport - Monday, July 1, 2013
Thank you for your reply.  I agree with you this project may sound a fantasy or Utopian, however we have a unique opportunity for an autonomous region.
By BigO - Monday, July 1, 2013
Just because something has the potential to significantly alter things, doesn't make it Utopian in my mind at least.  As Daniel indicated even if it's very difficult to accomplish this new objective one has to try.  That's what moves the world forward.

My point was simply that there is probably a direct correlation between the good you and others working on this project hope to do, and those who will do whatever they can to prevent it from happening because they benefit from the current situation.

What is it the US Seabees say, "the impossible just takes a little bit longer"?

R
By Jakk - Monday, July 1, 2013
I, too, would love to see an update to GenoPro, if only for a few of the minor (to me, but I'm not a programmer beyond a bit of HTML and JavaScript) enhancements I've mentioned in the past, such as allowing users to build custom name strings for Full Name and Display Name. I realize that we can edit both of these fields, but I'd rather not *edit* several thousand entries individually when a few clicks for each individual would accomplish the same goal in a fraction of the time... and that time adds up when dealing with thousands of entries.

I have no interest in moving to another program at this point, because GenoPro is the only program I have found that allows me to work with the entire family tree visually at once, and this is the single most important feature for my purposes.

Many thanks to Daniel for the response, and I hope we see something happen with GenoPro one way or another.
By bogistad - Tuesday, July 2, 2013
Thank you for your post, Daniel. It is not what I was hoping to hear but nevertheless it clears up a few things I was suspecting. I wish this could have been made earlier as I think a lot of customers were still hoping that some development was still continuing when in fact the opposite is the case.

From your post I can only conclude that because of your other interests, there is little hope of further enhancements to GenoPro in the foreseeable future, if ever. While you and others may find your cause a worthwhile exercise and you are obviously enthusiastic about it, it leaves the users who have purchased this application and were expecting future upgrades and regular enhancements high and dry.

What obligation do you and Jean-Claude feel you have towards these customers? For example, what time will be allocated to ensure that GenoPro remains compatible with future releases of software it relies on? Have there been any steps taken at all to satisfy those who have posted suggestions and requests for enhancements or will these never be realised? Etc.

You have explained where your current priorities lie but I think the time has also come to be completely frank about GenoPro. "GenoPro is not abandoned" doesn't really paint a complete picture.

Bob.
By Erhardt Stiefel - Wednesday, July 3, 2013
Zita (03-Jun-2013)
I would suggest: sell the concept. There are still a lot of development opportunities of Genopro and a cash-rich software company should be able to take on this. No futher evolution means the end of this wonderful and unique project.

I agree!
By jcmorin - Wednesday, July 3, 2013
GenoPro has always been compatible with previous release. Even if you have a file 10 years old there is a way to convert it to the latest version; I would not worry about that for future release.

We still answer questions and help people using GenoPro. If Genome want, he can continue to update the report generator skin (we have an arrangement with him) but everyone have the right to change their priorities.

Remember that GenoPro is a one time payment, you could have purchase it $10 back then and still have the latest version today. Who offer 10+ years of updates for free? Who can expect to have another 10?
By vlepore - Friday, July 5, 2013
If only they had been published as annual new versions, the various implementations made ​​by Genome, maybe this discussion would be different.
I understand that Dan does not want to die for GenoPro and prefers to deal with other problems and dreams, but there are others to delegate work and responsibility.
I understand that Genome is perplexed since it has not even obtained the tag BaseLanguage in the interface.
GenoPro is built with too much love to be abandoned.
In any case will continue to use GenoPro!
Sorry for my Google-English.
Greetings.
By haep - Monday, March 10, 2014
I think there are many people who want this project still alive and I think it's time to pay for a new updates.

What do you think?
By bogistad - Tuesday, March 11, 2014
Haep, we all want new updates and releases, and I venture to say most would be willing to pay for it! I have also suggested this in the past.

Unfortunately, that's not the issue. If you read through the previous posts, with Daniel away on some great enterprise and no provision made for anyone else to carry out further development, who is going to do it?

Bob
By walr - Saturday, March 15, 2014
Well, I made my change to RM some time ago,but, I am schooled in Genopro, I miss the feeling of knowing where to go and what to do (in the main). Always liked the appearance and presentation of the program, quite simple to instruct other members in. As I said, here I am again. Hope it stayus alive.
By Robert Barbrow - Monday, April 7, 2014
Has any thought gone into turning this software into an open source project?
By jim2 - Wednesday, June 25, 2014
It's so sad to see how the development of the software is being neglected, especially after reading the previous posts. There is so much potential.

After about 5 years of taking a break from genealogy, I downloaded Genopro 2011 on my new laptop a few months ago and was surprised to see it having so little changes with the one I had sometime in 2008-2009. Genopro is close to my heart, but I haven't updated my family tree using the software because there were no updates (including the website) for several months.
By Jakk - Saturday, September 6, 2014
I would also love to see GenoPro become an open-source community project. I fear I would be of limited usefulness in such a project, because it's been a long time since I did any programming. I've always been more of an "ideas" person, so I read Daniel's reply with great interest back when he first posted it. Many of my philosophical interests are along similar lines, particularly with the endless cycle of corruption we seem to have in Canadian politics and the present disturbing situation with public education in my lifelong home province of British Columbia. The fundamental problem as I see it is simple: We can't have elected (or appointed) officials in control of setting their own salaries. Here in B.C., our government has given themselves multiple double-digit raises over the eight years they've been in power, and during the same time teachers have seen an average increase of 1% per year, along with massive budget cutbacks for public education in other areas. And when, in that same time, billions of public dollars go into private schools and a new roof for a stadium owned by private interests who could easily finance the repair themselves, the government's cry of "we're broke" when it comes to public education spending rings just a little hollow.

Jean-Claude, I hope your current project is going well, and I look forward to *someone* (whoever it may be) focusing on development of a new version of GenoPro before the feature wish list gets so long that they have to skip a version number. Wink
By jcmorin - Sunday, September 7, 2014
GenoPro is not something easy to evolve in it's current status. It's build in C++ using MFC working for Windows 95. The report have been started in VB script while today it's an almost dead language, everyone write web page in javascript. Many thing would have been rewritten from scratch... it's not an easy task. Nobody want to take it really. We still provide support, answers questions and from time to time Genome release an update of the skin/report.

Working back on GenoPro at full time is something that might happen in the future we both talk about it from time to time but nothing planned seriously. Understand that many software in that exact state without knowing it. Microsoft Excel probably having move really in the last 10 years except a few icons.
By 328190 - Friday, September 26, 2014

Contraryto Bogistad's fears, I'm heartened that so few have responded to thisthread.  I hope as few as possible seeit.  In fact, for the good of GENOPRO,the fewer the number of users who visit these forums the better.

 

I loveGENOPRO.  I have used it every single daywithout fail for 11 years.  It certainly must neverbe allowed to fade away. Nothing else comes close to its presentationalflexibility and possibilities, and I could not live without it.

 

Butthere appears to be a disjunct in perceptions: It appears to be unrecognized that there are 2 very different groups ofdevotees:  Firstly, those like yourselveswho are computer-programming savvy and understand & enjoy tinkering inthe guts of the machine. You want change and improvements and bells  Then there is myself, and hopefully 99% ofusers, who simply want a program that works 'straight out of the box', andcontinues to do the same thing without fail.

 

Themajority of us simply want a 'bookshelf' for our genealogical (or scientific)research. The latter is our joy and choice of time.  It is only a dreaded signal of failure when wehave to visit this Help Forum (not thetutorials, of course, where one learns the capabilities of the program, but the 'what'schanged, can be changed, or gone wrong' visits). 

 

Afterexploring the forums and queries over the past few days, I've realized thatthat contrary to my belief that all the changes made to GENOPRO over the years weredriven by a marketing plan ('let's add lots of social detail and sellgroup-contracts to Psychology Academia......' etc), there may no longer  be a strategic ormarketing focus to the activity.  Itappears to be driven by current user-generated ideas/queries/problems, andwhatever might catch the indispensable Ron's attention in the limited time he has. The car is nowbeing driven entirely by the 1% of tinkerers, and aimed purely at currentexperienced users.

 

ForGENOPRO to survive, I would beg that the focus return to attracting new users(or at least using the prism of their perspective, even if there isn't thewill, plan or funds to actually market the product) as Bogistad suggests in his opening post.  At least provide a product that we currentusers who love it can recommend to a new generation.  But to do this requires something verydifficult:  For programming-savvyusers & technicians to understand that the average consumer does not understand (nor wants tounderstand) their language.

 

To thisend, I would suggest that the moment when GENOPRO may have gone off the railswas when the latest version 2.5.4.1. was released with unusable Reportcapabilities.   All of a sudden, onecould no longer simply download, open, explore, enjoy.  One's first experience of the product(because after all, the Reports  -  the communication of one's work with theoutside world - are key) is frustration and bewilderment.  The 'Help' work-arounds are opaque (why doReport Formats have to be called 'Skins' anyway outside of the workshop?), andeven if they weren't, simply having to take remedial action at all sends amessage of failure.

 

I wouldbeg that any time or resources go exclusively into immediately releasing aversion with the appropriate 'Skins' already include (Yes, I was  able to follow Ron's instructions, but onlybecause, as a devoted user, I persevered. I wondered why it was so difficult tosimply add a complete Skins folder already containing these piecemeal updatesto the basic program download, as in previous versions? A download query could suggest where to store it. Thus opines theneophyte!).  This may not be the be-all& end-all, but I raise it as an example of how to prioritize any futuresupport.  Basics & Stability.  No more improvements. No more new 'Skins'. Wecan certainly live with what we have.

 

Ofcourse, the challenges remain thereafter: 1.Raising funds from current users (Ihereby pledge $1000 purely as payment for the pleasure GENOPRO has given meover the years), 2.Marketing to new users/markets (there are so many new Genealogicalwebsites & forums where one could invite 'taste-makers' to have fun with GENOPRO),and 3)Re-writing the underlying structure just enough to continue working withfuture Window's releases. None are easy.

 

Butfirst things, first.

 

Inclosing, I want to make sure I've primarily communicated:  There are more of us who adore this programthan you might think.  We don't visit theforums, if we can help it.  And weshouldn't have to.

By stephen.digby - Wednesday, October 29, 2014
What makes GenoPro unique for me?  It seems like decades since i started using it.  I have repeated dont to market to see if anything tops it.  I have always come back for the following reasons:
  • Genopro allows me to create a standalone website that is completely self contained so i can distribute my data periodically to family on CD/ DVD AND host it free on Dropbox.
    All other software I have experimented in requires me to trust and pay annual fees for hosting.
  • GenoPro has the best and simplest user interface I have seen i.e. complete tree view as editing basis with variety of simple table based views of associated data.
All software lives by occupying a niche that could be taken over at any minute.  If a better product came along, I would probably jump ship.
All software survives by adapting to the niche and strengthening the relationship with its users.

I suggest that the lack of development of a culture of small occasional upgrade payments has meant that the business has not maintained any skill base capable of supporting continued development.  

My suggestion to the owners/ managers is:
  • find someone within or outside the GenoPro community that is capable and willing to take on some minor incremental enhancement (necessary to build experience of success both for the staff concerned as well as for the community that will pay for enhancements)
  • target a few popular enhancements and "crowd source" the funding to pay for them, then offer the upgrade to the rest of the community for a modest sum (don't want to shock people after so long without paying) emphasising that they need to support the software development if they want it to survive.
  • quantify the possibility of GenoPro being incompatible with a Windows OS change and develop options.
If the owners/ managers do not have the time/ focus to do this, they can:
  • offer the code as open source and ask for community volunteers to oversee the project.  It really only takes a few legendary programmers to make a difference.  As Microsoft is finding out, for everyone else besides Steve Jobs, the success path is usually incremental improvement, building momentum. 
  • sell the product to a company that can leverage the user base and begin commercial development.  We will end up paying more, but, hey, we have had a free seat in this old but reliable bus for a long time now !
By waveydavey49 - Sunday, November 2, 2014
Agree with sentiments above, this program is too good to let go. There isn't anything like it. 
As part of a refresh, the web site could do with a face lift and therefore likely attract a growing numbers of new individuals researching their family history. 
I have a colourful and glossy poster still hanging on my wall produced with the help of GenoPro. 
Television Programs like 'Who do You think You are' creating a tidal wave of interest on the subject matter.
Come on Owners...... Smile

Waveydavey
By Jakk - Thursday, November 6, 2014
After re-reading Daniel's reply from July of last year, and finally investigating this "Qt" coding environment he mentioned, I understand even better his enthusiasm for his current project. Open-source software, affordable cost of living, and reduced government and corporate corruption are high on my priority list as well. After two years of using the preinstalled trial versions of Word and Excel that my current computer came with, I finally took the plunge and downloaded OpenOffice for the first time in several years, and I'm very impressed by how it has evolved as an open-source productivity suite. I may never install M$ Office again... now all I need is an open-source OS, but for now I'm happy with Windows 7.

As for genealogy software, I must confess that I don't understand the apparent need for "new" all the time. Updates and new features are good, but they shouldn't be what drives software development, or any other industry, or we're doing it wrong. The big-name genealogy programs that come with two dozen CDs of records are great, but all of those records should be easily found on the Internet... at least until the FCC decides that corporate profits are more important than public access. But maybe the results of the U.S. midterms today convinced the administration that the voters are serious... although I'm not sure that the right message was sent by those results, when I see what the far right has been doing here in Canada, particularly in my province of British Columbia. I suppose all we can do is wait and see... just as many of us are doing with GenoPro.

I wish I could say I'm not losing any sleep over any of this, but insomnia has become a regular occurrence for me. It's now 4:44 AM here on the West Coast, and I should try to get some sleep again. w00t
By 663560 - Monday, July 11, 2016
I guess there is no hope that this will ever be compatible with Apple products. Still hanging on to old PC to keep current.
By GenoProSupport - Monday, July 11, 2016
There is hope. We will post a public Alpha version of GenoProX this month, and it will also include voice and screen sharing. The integration of voice chat took much longer than anticipated.
By maru-san - Monday, July 11, 2016
Anything we should know with regard to set up, i.e.path to original file, path to pictures and images, path to sources and pdf files,etc. especially if we want give it a try on Windows 10 and at the same time with Android on tablets?
By GenoProSupport - Monday, July 25, 2016
Sorry for the long delay. GenoProX Alpha is available at http://www.genopro.com/download/GenoProX/The installation should pretty straightforward. You type your name when your create a profile, and add Dan as your contact to chat with me. You may also initiate a VoIP call to voice chat with me as well.
By 212529 - Sunday, July 31, 2016
I have just installed GenoProX Alpha and tried it out. Either I don't know how to use GenoProX properly, or many functions from GenoPro 2016 were omitted:

-reduced entries under individual properties (e.g. GenoPro 2016 Birth/Death tab has 14 entries, GenoProX has only 4-5, and I can't even find entry for place of birth/death)

-no problem spotter

-no emotion relationships

-marital status reduced to married vs. divorced

-no hyperlink.



Why GenoProX omitted so many functions, data entries and data display compared to older software versions?
By appleshaw - Monday, August 1, 2016
Have a look at
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/A/alpha_version.html
to see where development is expected to be.
This shows that development is proceeding, particularly on the ability to make contact with other users.
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 4, 2016
We made an update at http://www.genopro.com/download/GenoProX/

GenoProX is Alpha indeed.  What should be working is the chat and voice calls.  Now that GenoProX has communication handled, we can focus on the collaboration module which requires invitations and notifications.  Several years ago we attempted to design a communication module using emails for invitations and notifications and it was a complete mess (and failure).  What is necessary is having our own internal communication module, which GenoProX now have.
By 212529 - Sunday, August 7, 2016
Thank you for clarification. Also great to see update on progress. I know you don't like this kind of questions, but do you think GenoProX (Beta) will be available by the end of 2017?
By Jakk - Wednesday, August 10, 2016
212529 (07-Aug-2016)
Thank you for clarification. Also great to see update on progress. I know you don't like this kind of questions, but do you think GenoProX (Beta) will be available by the end of 2017?


Beta is not a final version either, so the end of next year seems a bit far off for that. I'm hoping we see a beta version by the end of this year, but that will depend entirely on how difficult the rest of the rebuild has been compared to the chat / support module... probably far less so, but I won't speculate further. I'm not in any big hurry, just happy that we have a rebuild in progress, and I like what I've seen so far from the screenshots on the alpha version. I've downloaded the latest alpha, but I keep finding other things on my computer to distract me from installation... lately, that has been major research progress on my Icelandic ancestors.