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By slate43 - Saturday, March 12, 2005
I created an overall tree. I kept each family member of a particular generation on the same row. I felt that would make it easier to figure out one members relationship to another. ie, everyone on the same row was either a sister, brother or cousin to everyone else on the same row.

There are over 200 members on the tree. So the overall tree is quite wide. In an attempt to make it easier to navigate I made individual trees for each of the children from the starting member. There are 10 children that married and had children. One of the 10 had four children. Those 4 children had 21 children. So that particular family tree is very wide. So I broke down those 4 children into their own trees.

I wanted users to be able to jump between any of the 10 original children. I created links from one particular child back to the children tree. So, childrentree.gno has 14 people with links to a specific tree. When you are at the specific tree you can link back to childrentree.gno

The link I used was ./specificperson1.gno with a link back to ./childrentree.gno Once there you could go to ./specificperson2.gno

When I published the files to personal web site, I expected the links to work the same as if they were still on my hard drive. That is, they were now at my ISP's server, but they were still "local" they would still be ./childrentree.gno and ./specificperson1.gno

However, when I view the site, and I mouse over the links, it is looking to my "c" drive.
When I changed the path in each .gno file to be the actual server path, it still looks for "c" drive. I changed the files to show the server path on my "c" drive then I FTP'd the files to my ISP's web server. Still no joy. I am hoping I made my explaination clear as to the children.gno files. What I am trying to learn is what I am doing wrong with the path. Or have I entered the path in the wrong place? I entered it in Properties>view.

You guidance is appreciated.

s
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
Have you tried to split your genealogy tree in GenoMaps and link them with internal hyperlinks? I think this approach will solve your problem. You need GenoPro Beta for this.
By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
Have you tried to split your genealogy tree in GenoMaps and link them with internal hyperlinks? I think this approach will solve your problem. You need GenoPro Beta for this.


Are you saying I can not do what I wanted to do with GenoPro 1.91b? What I did was to click on a person then asked for all descendents. I copied that and pasted it as a new tree and gave it it's own name. So, I have Family.gno and Person1.gno I opened person1.gno and clicked on a name, went to properties>view and entered in link box ./family.gno

When I was viewing person1.gno and clicked on the blue hyperlinked name, it would bring me back to Family.gno

Is what I did different from GenoMaps and internal hyperlinks? If not, why didn't my separate tree's with internal links work? It went searching for the files on my hard drive rather than at the ISP server where ALL the files resided. (see my original posting this subject)

I am just reluctant to use beta programs. I am not computer saavy enough to know how to deal with problems that pop up in Beta testing. Also, all of my viewers will be invited to download GenoPro. As I recall, the download you offer on your front page is for 1.91 right? Will it cause a problem if I create in beta and they use 1.91?

s
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
Regarding the hyperlinks, the Beta does everything as 1.91b does. As for stability, the beta is very stable. It is called beta because some features are not yet complete, including the new report generator. The beta creates triple redundant backups in different formats in case something goes wrong, so there is no danger of loosing any data. The reason why the beta is not advertised is because I would get too many [duplicate] comments & suggestions. I want to finish the report generator (Beta 13) before advertising this beta on the home page.
By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
Regarding the hyperlinks, the Beta does everything as 1.91b does. As for stability, the beta is very stable. It is called beta because some features are not yet complete, including the new report generator. The beta creates triple redundant backups in different formats in case something goes wrong, so there is no danger of loosing any data. The reason why the beta is not advertised is because I would get too many [duplicate] comments & suggestions. I want to finish the report generator (Beta 13) before advertising this beta on the home page.


I appreciate all the work you are doing to improve GenoPro. However your responses are not productive. I did not ask why Beta is not advertised, I asked why what I did in 1.91b is any different than GenoMaps. I can see that genomaps are more like sheets in Excel, and that allows a certain comfort level. But you have not addressed my question, when I created separate .gno trees and linked the various trees, it works on my c-drive. However, when I FTP'd all the .gno files from my C drive to the ISP hosting server, the links did not work. I even changed the links to include the full path to the ISP hosting server, they did not work. When I moused over the blue hyperlinks in the .gno file, a popup appeared showing the links were looking for the files in the c-drive.

However, I did download and installed the beta version. There are no instructions as to how or why to make genoMaps. What I did was clicked on a family member and then asked for all descendents. I then copied and pasted that into a new genomap. (which was no different than the procedure I used to make a separate .gno tree) So now I have two, GenoMap1 and GenoMap2. Main and one family member. Next, again without a help module, I tried to make the hyperlink. When I clicked on the family member>Properties>Hyperlink it provided a better way to locate the files. When I accepted the hyperlink and went back to genomap2, I clicked on the link and it brought me back to genomap1. So far so good. When I then tried to go back the other way, I was unsuccessful. I am in Genomap1, selected a member>properties>hyperlink and browsed back genomap2.
When I clicked on the hyperlink in genomap1, it just brought me to the person, NOT to genomap2. I was still in genomap1, all it did was highlight the main descendent in genomap2.

Please understand I have invested a fair amount of time making my Family Tree. I have gotten as far as FTPing the files to a hosting server. I had tested the links on my hard drive between .gno trees and they worked fine. I created the web pages and tested them with the preview in browser. I tested both Internet Explorer and FoxFire. Both worked flawlessly. Then I FTP'd and tested from a "live" browser. All links I created worked. Even the link that would send my relatives to your site to download GenoPro, worked fine. They only thing that failed was the links between trees as outlined above.

So I need one of two things from you. Either an explaination why my original efforts failed and what I can do to cure it, or help on making GenoMaps and creating viable links between GenoMaps.

Cause, right now nothing works except my blood pressure, and it is near the upper limits.
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
Send me a link to your homepage and I will take a look why the hyperlinks do not work.

As for the GenoMaps and internal hyperlinks in the beta, there is a toolbar button to create an internal hyperlink. The other method to create an internal hyperlink is to right-click on the individual and select "New Hyperlink" to the destination GenoMap. Do not use copy & paste because you will duplicate data.

The help is not yet available because I am still adding core features to the Beta.
By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
Send me a link to your homepage and I will take a look why the hyperlinks do not work.

As for the GenoMaps and internal hyperlinks in the beta, there is a toolbar button to create an internal hyperlink. The other method to create an internal hyperlink is to right-click on the individual and select "New Hyperlink" to the destination GenoMap. Do not use copy & paste because you will duplicate data.

The help is not yet available because I am still adding core features to the Beta.


This is the site. http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-Carrozza
I have been doing some additional work and reloaded all the .gno files to the FTP site. It may be working now. I am hesitant to breathe, as I am sure it will fall apart.
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
I see you put some absolute hyperlinks (http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/Theresachildren.gno) rather than relative hyperlinks (DirectDescendents.gno). The relative hyperlink should work. I tested it on both version 1.91b and the latest Beta and they work.
By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
I see you put some absolute hyperlinks (http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/Theresachildren.gno) rather than relative hyperlinks (DirectDescendents.gno). The relative hyperlink should work. I tested it on both version 1.91b and the latest Beta and they work.


I am really lost. I kept the absolute links and they seem to be working for linking one .gno file to another.

I sent out e-mails telling them the URL, and got back questions as to where the photos are located.

When I set up each photo to a particular person, I just "browsed" to the image I wanted. It found them on the C Drive. I can see all the photos. But my relatives can not.

I then relinked all of them using an absolute link. http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/relativephotos/sam.jpg
No joy.

Your help area indicates I can type .\sam.jpg Again no joy. (I uploaded the images to the same area on the ISP server as the .gno files-That is why I left off the "relativephotos" in the .\sam.jpg)

WHat am I doing wrong????

s
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
I then relinked all of them using an absolute link. http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/relativephotos/sam.jpg
No joy.

The link does not work (file not found), so GenoPro cannot locate the picture http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/relativephotos/sam.jpg.

I opened the file http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/ralph.gno and found you have several links to "C:\Documents and Settings\Micro Edwards.MICRO-4C44C87B1\My Documents\FamilyTree\RelativePhotos\". This will work on your computer but not on others because users do not have the folder "C:\Documents and Settings\Micro Edwards.MICRO-4C44C87B1\My Documents\FamilyTree\RelativePhotos\" on their machine.

I renamed the path to "RelativePhotos\MaryEllen.jpg.bmp" and the picture appeared (see screen shot below). What you have to do is rename all paths "C:\Documents and Settings\Micro Edwards.MICRO-4C44C87B1\My Documents\FamilyTree\RelativePhotos\" to "RelativePhotos\". GenoPro will automatically create the full URL by concatenating "http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/" and "RelativePhotos/MaryEllen.jpg.bmp" to produce the full path "http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/RelativePhotos/MaryEllen.jpg.bmp"

By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
Thanks for your reply. I learned that if I unchecked the Preserve Full Path box, it would write the relative path for me. I did that for all the images on all the .gno files.
Thanks

Now I am getting a different problem. Will this ever end???

My default browser is FoxFire. I load all the .gno files and .html pages via Internet Explorer.
I have been testing via Internet Explorer.

However, when I go to a place like Living Tree>DirectDescendents>Frances, it downloads Frances-3.gno and displays it in a FoxFire window. I do not have a Frances-3.gno file There is a of Frances-2 and a Frances-1 in a temp folder, but they do not reside either in my main Family Tree folder on my C drive nor in the ISP servers.

Frances-3 looks like the real Frances.gno but the photos are not linked. If I try to open a new .gno from the GenoPro toolbar, it brings me to my C-drive. Somehow, I left Internet Explorer, and am viewing .gno files from my hard drive. IE is still opened. But the Frances.gno file is not the one that is opened. It is Frances-3.gno which is NOT on my c-drive, yet it claims to be. It is as if files are getting additional numbers each time a file is opened.

When you go to my site, you do not seem to have this problem. Do you?

What is causing this???? Your guidance is greatly appreciated.
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
GenoPro was designed to work with Internet Explorer in a browser. The other browsers, such as Netscape and Opera do not support ActiveX, so they open the .gno file as a standalone file. When a .gno file is opened as a standalone file, it is first downloaded by the browser to a cache/temp folder, and then opened as if you double-clicked on the downloaded file. As a result, the original URL cannot be known to GenoPro. GenoPro uses some special code to fetch the original URL from Internet Explorer (say http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/) and uses this URL to concatenate the full path to get the pictures.

I don't know about FireFox; I have not used it yet. My guess is FireFox does not support ActiveX, as Netscape and Opera for security reasons. With ActiveX, anyone can add those "Browser Helper Objects" (BHO) which is the nest for trojans, spyware and viruses. ActiveX is a cool feature, but is a real security nightmare.

The HBOs can add extra toolbar buttons to the browser and do other stuff such as monitoring your surfing activity. For instance, a Pop-Up Blocker is an HBO, the Google toolbar is an HBO (for searching and also blocking pop-ups), Acrobat Reader is another HBO. Since an HBO can do almost anything, it is difficult to know if the code is malicious. A list of all "known" HBOs can be found at http://www.sysinfo.org/bholist.php and at http://computercops.biz/bhotb-all.html .
By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
GenoPro was designed to work with Internet Explorer in a browser. The other browsers, such as Netscape and Opera do not support ActiveX, so they open the .gno file as a standalone file. When a .gno file is opened as a standalone file, it is first downloaded by the browser to a cache/temp folder, and then opened as if you double-clicked on the downloaded file. As a result, the original URL cannot be known to GenoPro. GenoPro uses some special code to fetch the original URL from Internet Explorer (say http://bellsouthpwp.net/e/f/efudd43/) and uses this URL to concatenate the full path to get the pictures.


I think what you are saying is, if my relatives use IE they will not face the problems I do. IE will not open .gno as a standalone file. It seeks the file from the ISP server, then provides an option to either save or open the file. If open is selected, it opens the .gno from the ISP server in GenoPro.

So, while it may not function correctly for me, if my relatives use IE, it should work for them.

Right?????
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
So, while it may not function correctly for me, if my relatives use IE, it should work for them.

If you use IE, it should work for you too Smile.
By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
So, while it may not function correctly for me, if my relatives use IE, it should work for them.

If you use IE, it should work for you too Smile.


This is the problem, it does not. I go to tmy site using Internet Explorer. Every thing links, except when I try to open a .gno file. It asks if I want to open or save. I choose open. It places GenoPro on the task bar. When I click on the GenoPro icon, it opens the .gno file NOT in IE, but in FoxFire. And here is where I get the phantom Frances-3.gno files.
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
Every thing links, except when I try to open a .gno file. It asks if I want to open or save. I choose open.

There should be a checkbox at the bottom of the message box to always open this type of document. See http://www.genopro.com/internet/
By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
[quote]Every thing links, except when I try to open a .gno file. It asks if I want to open or save. I choose open.

There should be a checkbox at the bottom of the message box to always open this type of document. See http://www.genopro.com/internet/[/quote]

OK, I see. I unchecked the box. Opened IE and entered my URL. Got to my page. Went to Living Tree. Clicked on DirectDescendents link>Frances

FOXFIRE opens and the GenoPro Icon is placed on my task par. I clcik on GenoPro. And Frances-5 opens. The photo links are correct. No photos. When I click on the open new file icon on the GenoPro taskbar, It shows I am looking in my C drive.