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By slate43 - Sunday, May 1, 2005
I have a cousin that wishes her name and the name of her child be deleted from the family tree.

I do not know why. I've asked but she has not been forthcoming.

At any rate, she wants this to be done. I feel being a member of a family is a binary event. Either you is, or you ain't a member of the family. If you is, you get placed on the tree.

I am thinking maybe I can just eliminate her birthdate information. ie, select not to view her age. However, if you "drill-down" in to a .gno form, the dd/mm/yy shows up. Is there someway to keep the information but make it invisble from view?

Your help is appreciated.

s
By Yehudad - Thursday, August 18, 2005
I can think on several reasons why people don't want to be a part of a family tree.
Realy - it is not matter. They don't want to be a part of it.

Your options:
1. Delete them completely from your tree.
2. live them in your tree AND for each individual who dosnt want to be on your tree - in the individual Properties you have the Report Tab. In this tab you have a check box you have to check in order for this individual to be exluded from any future report that you are producing. As if he isn't there.

I am not sure if it exludes him if you are printing the tree.
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
This is a delicate topic. One solution will be the "Privacy Filter" for the report. This privacy filter will be simple to use, while offering the option to be customizable via a script. At the moment, the option "Exclude from Report" is a technical issue to avoid duplicate. I have been thinking of adding another option to "Delete from Report", however I think this option will be found in the privacy filter rather than being a property of the object itself (individual, family, pedigree link, picture).
By rboshuis - Thursday, August 18, 2005
This is a delicate topic. One solution will be the "Privacy Filter" for the report. This privacy filter will be simple to use, while offering the option to be customizable via a script. At the moment, the option "Exclude from Report" is a technical issue to avoid duplicate. I have been thinking of adding another option to "Delete from Report", however I think this option will be found in the privacy filter rather than being a property of the object itself (individual, family, pedigree link, picture).


I agree. The privacy filter will be able to hide so many details that nobody would be able to know who was behind the entry. Of course, any intimate who KNOWS that that particular person should be there in tree, will know that you actually refer to that particular person. However, that initimate knows already more than is publisched, so whether you do or don't publish the limited info, is moot.
By maru-san - Thursday, August 18, 2005
To build a family tree is entirely your choice and no one can hinder you. How you get this information is also your choice. This information will always be on your computer, no matter how many family members do not want to be there. Their existence in itself makes same a reality. So far so good.

If you want to give relatives a copy of your data, it is up to you how much data you give in order to avoid angry members. At this point it would be good to have the author/editor of the data being entered in some field. So others can see who compiled the data and gave it away.

If you want to publish the data, you better ask for permission, unless the person has passed away. Here it would be nice to have the choice of having all data (including names and BD) eliminated or hidden, except for the fact that there was a female or male or a child. This hidden data should be protected by Password or similar.

Legal aspects are not considered in above statement.
By IainTait - Thursday, August 18, 2005
I have mentioned this in ethics.
I agree that the birth info etc exists and, as long as it is on your private computer, can't hurt anyone.
I have excluded all living from my site tree as I have now made private trees of local branches including the "living" which require passwords for access.
These passwords are only sent to members actually mentioned on any particular tree.
If someone objects to this, they will become "Living" or (Private) with no details shown.
If one branch has a problem with another, I just split the tree, and add different passwords.
By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
My tree is on a personal web site. Invitees are only family members.

Frankly, I can not wrap my head around someone not wanting their name on their tree. I guess I could just leave a blank square or circle for male or female members that wish to be left off.

This is really crazy. I never expected to run into such a quandry. It is possible a female cousin married, had a child and divorced. The cousin wants her name deleted. The offspring and the divorced husband don't mind their place on the tree. So I have an empty female circle joined to a divorced male with offspring showing.

All of the joy and effort that went into the tree, is now gone. I'm ready to dump the whole thing!

s
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
I agree a genealogy tree is a personal database and you can put whatever you want in it. The idea of the privacy filter is to allow you to share your genealogy, yet prevent some information to be accessible to all. GenoPro 3.0 will address more this issue with security permission to read and/or edit some data fields.

Some individuals are real trouble makers. For example, one guy was dating my cousin and put her pregnant. I cannot delete this guy from the genealogy tree because he is "part" of the family, although he is "completely" gone. The problem is this guy is intelligent (not always), yet dishonest, violent and quite dangerous. One night, after receiving threats, I locked all my doors and windows because I was afraid of him to come as I was helping my cousin. This incident occured five years ago and I still remember it like yesterday. This guy is a lawyer and thinks of himself as God. Well, you can be sure I will not put any personal data about him unless there is a strong "privacy filter" on him, otherwise I may end up with a painful lawsuit. The only data that I will allow to be "public" about him is his first name, so he will have no ground to seek revenge. If I put his birthday, it would be enough for him to use start a lawsuit for disclosing personal information and require monetary compensation. This guy is after money big time, as I suspect he has some addictions. I am not sure if he would win the lawsuit about the birthday issue, but it would be a waste of emotional energy and time. This guy is always looking for fights and seems to love nurturing an hostile environment.

The privacy filter will be very useful to mark some individuals as "dangerous". You can count on me, once the privacy filter is applied, the privacy filter is also removed on the cloned copy, so someone viewing the filtered .gno file could never imagine a privacy filter was applied to him/her.
By slate43 - Thursday, August 18, 2005
As a newbie to web pages and search engines, can someone help about this?

At my personal web site that hosts my Family Tree, there are two files. One is a .gno file and the other is a .gif file. Can a search engine gather any information from those two files, other than file name and extension? The .gif is just a snapshot of the tree. The .gno is a Living Tree. Can a search engine peer into the .gno file and gather the people's names and birthdates? Can a search engine peer into a .gno file and see information in the database?

Does anyone know about identity theft? Can a thief steal a person's identity knowing a name and birthdate? I am not looking for a primer on how to steal someone's identity BigGrin I just want to know the risk for family members.

Any guidance is always appreciated

s
By Barry Graham - Thursday, August 18, 2005
One thing:-

Many financial sites require a mother's maiden name plus personal details if you should lose a password and apply for a new one.

Obviously if someone were to find out this information they may be able to masquerade as you but since the new password is sent to your Email address the intruder would need access to your machine.

I don't know how efficient spyware is but I take no chances.
Apart from the Malicious Software Filter my ISP provides, I have a Mail Washer between the server and my system, Anti-Virus software, Anti-Spyware software and a Personal Firewall.

I clean out the spyware everyday - most of it is just Adware trackers - mainly from RootsWeb and Genealogy.com (I hate those popups).
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
Many financial sites require a mother's maiden name plus personal details if you should lose a password and apply for a new one.

This is true. Those institutions do often use the birthdate too. The birthdate is easy to find. Most websites about celebrities or corporate executive do display the full birthdate in their bios.

As for the maiden name, it is almost the same. Rarely the parents are available in a bio, but it is not so difficult to get it. For instance, I found the mother's maiden name of Bill Gates on my first search on Google.

http://www.google.com/search?q=bill+gates+mother+maiden+name

Perhaps Bill Gates should be offended about his privacy, but there is little he can do about it regarding his birthdate and mother's maiden name. The same can apply to several celebrities too.

Finaicial sites now require a secret question or something like that. This is more reliable than asking for public facts. Besides, I find it more dangerous for those institutions to collect birthdates and mother's maiden name than asking a secret question. Some of those institutions have thousand of employees, so it is easy for a rogue employee to steal the data or worse, steal your identity and use it somewhere else.
By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 18, 2005
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