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I have been referring my Marriage and Family Therapy students to GenoPro for several years now, using my academic referrer ID. So far, among all the products I've seen, it produces the best-looking, most detailed and flexible genograms. I was interested to see it referenced in my new copy of "The Genogram Journey" by Monica McGoldrick.
However, I have never been able to use the program myself as I am a Mac user of many years. I now teach in the Bay Area where there is a high concentration of Mac users. And I have nothing comparable to suggest for students, certainly no other program that provides such a generous trial - others expire in days or weeks, meaning a semester-long or quarter-long course outlasts their utility.
Mac use has been on the rise for years now. Please, please port a version of your software to Mac OSX. My students do not have the money or technical know-how to install Windows under their Mac OS. I would like to reduce the hassle even my Windows using students go through trying to export their genograms in formats I can open. I would love to buy a copy of the program myself to use in my teaching and private practice. We are hungry for a better solution out here, please.
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We would love to have a Mac version of GenoPro, however we do not have the qualified staff. We need a very good C++ programmer understanding both Mac and Windows (the analogy is like translating a book from Russian to Greek, the translator must be good in both languages in order to do a good job).
GenoPro has over 320,000 lines of C++ code which represents about 7,000 pages of papers if printed single-space with 10 pt font. If you stack 7,000 pages together, you get a pile of source code about 1 yard (1 meter) high. If you know such a good programmer, please let me know.
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Good morning,
I'm in the process of assembling information for running GenoPro on the Mac using the CrossOver Office program available from http://www.codeweavers.com. However, I understand that even $40 might be too much for many people, especially when added to the basic cost of GenoPro.
Can you provide additional information on the Mac environment(s) in use? I am especially interested to know whether most of the Macs in question would be Intel based or if there is still a concentration of G3/4/5 users, given that OS X has moved past those users. I would be interested in providing an indirect way of supporting the Mac platform as I feel GenoPro fills a gap on Macs. I would like to keep any solutions fairly non-technical or very well documented to help ensure availability for everyone.
Any feedback you might have would definitely help. I wish I could say that I'm the C++ coder that they need to provide a direct conversion, but I'd be scared to crack the first page of the code open, let alone look at 320K+ lines. An indirect solution might be enough for many users.
Thanks for any info you might have.
Regards, Brian.
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GenoPro version: 2.5.3.9
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My curiosity has gotten the best of me... Is GenoPro written primarily using the Windows API and standard C++ libraries or are there a lot of custom and/or 3rd party libraries involved? I'm especially interested in the GUI portion of the program, whether it is straight Windows API or involves heavy leveraging on other libraries as well.
Regards, Brian.
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I know quite a lot of good programmers. Are you looking for someone to do this for hire, or as a hobby?
bmarstella - my issue right now is that asking Mac using students to purchase and install a separate program puts them on unequal footing to my Windows using students. Both the cost and the time for mastery of installation are beyond some students' resources. If they have the money, for $50 they can purchase a student version of a different manufacturer's program, and at least have a native program that does not tax their system capabilities or technical abilities.
But most of them wind up hand-drawing and scanning their genograms, or trying to quietly install GenoPro on a lab computer or at work or etc., due to the cost. Then the Windows students struggle to figure out how to turn their genograms into .jpgs or .pdfs so I can read them.
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@854073: I can definitely understand the concern both in financial and temporal perspective. I've installed GenoPro on CrossOver Office and have had pretty good success so far, but it's definitely not free. The reason I was questioning the type of Macs being used is the possibility of creating a Mac-based Wine package that might suffice for people without a lot of deep technical knowledge and that are not trying to get every ounce of performance. Unfortunately, Wine is not officially distributed for the Mac, but there are options available. The task is to simplify installation and use enough that people are not terrified and do not have to jump through lots of extra hoops. The other caveat with Wine is that it's basically limited to Intel-based Macs only with PowerPCs being left out completely.
I understand the concern with virtual platforms as the cheapest is about $40, plus the $150+ license cost for Windows XP, with no money left to purchase GenoPro. I'd like to put together something that is usable and not too intimidating.
Any other insight you have is very welcome.
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bmarstella - I'm not privy to what my students are using, but I would venture, at a guess, most are at Intel Macs or above since I'm mostly seeing 2006+ laptops? (Cue Mac haters' comments about how if students can afford Macs they should be able to afford X, Y, and Z, thanks for playing.)
I'm on an early 2008 Intel Core Duo myself - hoping finances allow for a replacement this year as 2GB of RAM is starting to not cut it, but grad faculty finances aren't as good as the fantasy, especially in the Bay Area.
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GenoPro Support - several programmers I've talked to say "why port it to a new OS? Why not make it browser-based and put it in the cloud?"
Given how many people are buying iPads for Grandma, who might like to do some genealogy after playing Angry Birds, this might be a very smart point. Betting on an OS is pretty limiting at this point. Charge for access, extended features, hosting genograms, etc.
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