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Posted Saturday, March 12, 2005 - Post #7657
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A couple married. Had no children, and divorced. The family member remarries. Is the first marriage shown on the tree?

I know I can show the first marriage, but without children, what function does it serve?

I am certain several people in my family will ask and wonder why I have included this situation.

I guess what I am asking is, if one went to a professional genealogist, would one expect to see failed first marriages shown on a tree?

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Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #7658
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It all depends on what you want to represent in the genealogy tree. For instance, you may have an individual who never married but lived with a spouse for 20 years. This spouse is a significant part of the family, although there is no official paperwork. If you start including ex-girlfriends and ex-boyfriends of everyone, you may end with a big family tree difficult to understand. On the other hand, if you are a family therapist studying a case of depression, you may want to include all previous partners of an individual to identify a behavioral pattern. GenoPro gives you the flexibility to include a lot of information, it is up to you to decide where to stop Smile
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #7659
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The simple answer is Yes.
All the marriages should be included in the family tree.
I guess that the leading rule should be Like GenoProSupport said:
This spouse is a significant part of the family


Edited: Thursday, October 13, 2005 by GenoProSupport
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #7660
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You could consider a poll about this... :wink:

I usually do include (just to have all possibly relevant data), but it depends on relevancy of person, and when I forward a tree to a certain famiily part, as it happens some don't want to see :roll: some family members...
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I.E. Uncle of mine insisted that I should show his "girlfriend(s)" if I included his first wife... with whome he had no children BigGrin , but was a "significant" family member, and we stayed in touch.
In the other case: One of the aunts insisted that I don't include her brothers "girlfriend" :roll: with whom he had a child (not legitimate due to some "circumstances"...

So, it depends a lot to whome you want to present a family tree, but for your own use....

I suggest Arrow Keep on collecting...



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Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #7661
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I think you should put on your tree whatever you think you should even if others don't agree with you like your uncle/aunt case.

As for the publishing of the infomation it is a different matter. Other softwares like Legacy and FTM has for each individual a "Potential Problem" check box that if it is checked this person will be ignored by all the reports/site building etc. made by the software.

Maybe GenoPro should have such an option?
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #7662
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As for the publishing of the infomation it is a different matter. Other softwares like Legacy and FTM has for each individual a "Potential Problem" check box that if it is checked this person will be ignored by all the reports/site building etc. made by the software.

Maybe GenoPro should have such an option?

You bet! GenoPro already has the option "Exclude from Report" for that purpose. At the moment, I am finishing up the report generator so it does generate reports, and then I will add an option to have a privacy filter. The privacy filter will also be customizable via VBScript. I also plan add the option "This is a private comment" or something like that to some fields.


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Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #7663
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As it's been said above, one can make choices as to what to include and what to exclude. A tree may range from strictly blood relations (direct ancestors only, or direct descendents only) to a family quasi-archive. My personal opinion regarding which mates should be included, i.e. the criteria I use and keep them consistently are:

Include all marriages and mates that are really established (in my own mind that translates into a minimum of several years of not-just-friendly cohabitation), regardless of whether the relationship leaves descendants. A good reason for this is that entries should not be removed. What if your childless cousin gets a divorce at the age of 88? All official relationships (either blood or legal) must be included, regardless of the relationship in practice (e.g. separated), as well as practically-official relationships.

Do not include girlfriends/boyfriends. These belong to the personal life of the individual and not to the genealogical tree. Moreover, the interpretation of the specific term varies. What's the minimum duration of such a relationship? Can anyone really answer? I realize that at the other end of the spectrum there are couples who are together for really long without getting married and without having children, but such relationships are so established that you can't ignore them.

Include all relations that result in a birth, even one-night stands, even rapes. You may want to extend that to just pregnancy, but it's highly unlikely that you would learn about it in the first place.
The above are just my personal criteria. What's really important is that whatever one does, that they do it in a consistent manner. If in doubt, include. You can always throw away that info later, but if you throw it away without being sure you may regret it later.

My two cents worth. Regards to all.
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #7664
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im no pro by any strech of the imagination

but i try to stick to direct ancestors past gmother
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #7665
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The investigators, or a therapist, an anthropologist or historian, is as much importance if an individual spouse separates, if it divorces, live together without marrying or another event of importance. Genopro has an independent section of "divorce" in "Families properties". I believe that this section could be sent to "Tags" so that the usuary accommodate with base to its necessities. Thanks
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #7666
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Is the first marriage shown on the tree?


This is typically something that you would want to add to your tree. From this particular piece of information a lot can be derived. For example, where did the ancester live at the time of his marriage. Also interesting would be to know if he did or didn't get children in the second marriage. This might indicate a (possible inherited) genetic defect.

Also, very often, an individual is very hard to pinpoint in records. Often they use the same name (I am investigating from 1500 to now, and I can say that at halfway that time in the same town, there were 4 Klaas Willemsen). They are virtually impossible to distinguisch without knowing their spouse at that time....

and may more reasons.

in short.... leave/put it in there....

Ronald


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