By Howard53 - Wednesday, November 9, 2005
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The report in b15 is now looking really good, but I still have a few niggles:- Any colour used in GenoPro for individuals, relationship links and marriage links is only being reproduced in the SVG picture in shades of grey. However, text boxes show the full colour.
- The lack of a 'relation no.' on the pedigree links results in marriages still being recorded in the wrong order when dates are not known (this, of course, has been mentioned previously - will it be in b15b?).
- The presentation of relationship information is now much improved, but where a couple have married and then divorced, and this is the last marriage of the individual, the relationship is still recorded as married.
- In the new Family Details/Marriages, if the Officiator Title is entered, but the Officiator Name is left blank, the report shows 'X and Y were married in a religious ceremony on 1-Jan-2000 by priest priest' - ie the 'priest' is repeated.
- I have a couple in my tree who have a long-standing relationship, but are not cohabiting (ie they live separately), and neither are they engaged as they have no intention at present of getting married. At the moment I have to describe their relationship as 'Dating / Spordic relationship', which doesn't really describe their situation. What I need is some term for their relationship - eg 'Long-term relationship'. Any other suggestions for a phrase to be included in 'Relation' on the General tab of Family Properties?
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By GenoProSupport - Wednesday, November 9, 2005
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Any colour used in GenoPro for individuals, relationship links and marriage links is only being reproduced in the SVG picture in shades of grey. However, text boxes show the full colour. I made sure the SVG generator was compiling. After all the changes I made for Beta 15, the SVG generator was not working at all. This was entirely my fault because I changed the way the marriages & divorces are stored. The SVG generator is not generating the code for the new relationships such as engagement and separation, engagement and decease, cohabitation and separation and like. The code to generate SVG will be re-written for Beta 15b. The lack of a 'relation no.' on the pedigree links results in marriages still being recorded in the wrong order when dates are not known (this, of course, has been mentioned previously - will it be in b15b?). I wrote the code to include a 'relationship number' field to sort the marriages. This technique was nor working for gay and lesbian couples, so I created a tool to change the spouse order. The tool is simplier to use than using a 'relationship number'. To change the order of the marriages, please double-click on one of the parent, select the Report tab and click on the button Change Spouse Order. You will get the dialog below where you can use the Move Before and Move After buttons to change the spouse order. 
In the new Family Details/Marriages, if the Officiator Title is entered, but the Officiator Name is left blank, the report shows 'X and Y were married in a religious ceremony on 1-Jan-2000 by priest priest' - ie the 'priest' is repeated. You are right. I corrected the phrase PhMarriage in Dictionary.xml to the following: <PhMarriage T="{  }{\U}{0} were married[ {1}]{2}[ by [{4} ]{5}][ witnessed by {6}]." /> |
I have a couple in my tree who have a long-standing relationship, but are not cohabiting (ie they live separately), and neither are they engaged as they have no intention at present of getting married. At the moment I have to describe their relationship as 'Dating / Spordic relationship', which doesn't really describe their situation. What I need is some term for their relationship - eg 'Long-term relationship'. Any other suggestions for a phrase to be included in 'Relation' on the General tab of Family Properties? Humm... I understand your point. Does anyone knows the proper term to describe this relationship? Are they in love? Do they plan to have children?
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By Howard53 - Wednesday, November 9, 2005
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GenoProSupport (11/9/2005)
I started with a 'relationship number' field to sort the marriages. To change the order of the marriages, please double-click on one of the parent, select the Report tab and click on the button Change Spouse Order. You will get the dialog below where you can use the Move Before and Move After buttons to change the spouse order. OK - missed that! Humm... I understand your point. Does anyone knows the proper term to describe this relationship? Are they in love? Do they plan to have children? In my case they are too old to have children, but they are in love.
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By GenoProSupport - Wednesday, November 9, 2005
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In my case they are too old to have children, but they are in love. Use the relation dating... it will make them look younger and full of energy. They will love it. My sister Estelle has been married for several years, however she calls her husband "boyfriend" because she is in love with him. She told me she will use the word husband the day she will no longer be in love with him.
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By Howard53 - Thursday, November 10, 2005
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GenoProSupport (11/9/2005) Use the relation dating... That is what I am already using. However, this is a general example of a more specific case: how would you indicate the relationship of a married man with a mistress, or a married woman with a lover, which may result in offspring (viz. the former President Mitterand of France)? There is no obvious category to use in the Relation drop-down box - the 'Temporary relation / One night stand' comes closest, but the implication is of a very short-term relationship. How about 'Ex-marital relation' which could cover both short- and long-term relationships? Since this means literally 'outside of marriage' it could cover all these cases.
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By GenoProSupport - Thursday, November 10, 2005
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I think a mistress / lover relationship should be added.
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By Howard53 - Thursday, November 10, 2005
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That will cover it
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By beraha - Thursday, November 10, 2005
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On the Occupation tab, there is a new "Termination" field. One of the options is: "Still working". Why not making the same thing on the Education tab, and to have an option such as: "Still studying".?
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By GenoProSupport - Thursday, November 10, 2005
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beraha (11/10/2005) Why not making the same thing on the Education tab, and to have an option such as: "Still studying".?GenoPro has the education option Still Attending. I thought the word attending would be better than studying for education.
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By beraha - Thursday, November 10, 2005
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oh - I havn't noticed that this option exists. Thank you.
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By genome - Friday, November 11, 2005
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Any colour used in GenoPro for individuals, relationship links and marriage links is only being reproduced in the SVG picture in shades of grey. However, text boxes show the full colour. The SVG generator is not generating the code for the new relationships such as engagement and separation, engagement and decease, cohabitation and separation and like. See http://support.genopro.com/Topic9172-60-1.aspx#bm9232 for a solution so you can now have your SVG lines in glorious TechniColor |
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By Rjn - Thursday, November 24, 2005
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There is something wrong in generating reports. Since Ron's improvements to 14b I haven't had a working report at all! Even in beta 15 the problem persists. Can you help me out?
The latest beta15 produces the following log while generating the report:
Generating report to 'J:\Sukupuut\GenoPro Reports\b15SVG\' Cloning document Sukupuu 22102005... Opening configuration file Config.xml for skin '\SVG - English Narrative Report'... Validating picture cache... Line 70: The file 'genomaps/map.svg' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map0.svg' instead... Line 70: The file 'genomaps/map.svg' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map1.svg' instead... Line 70: The file 'genomaps/map.svg' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map2.svg' instead... Line 70: The file 'genomaps/map.svg' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map3.svg' instead... Line 70: The file 'genomaps/map.svg' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map4.svg' instead... Line 71: The file 'genomaps/map.htm' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map0.htm' instead... Line 71: The file 'genomaps/map.htm' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map1.htm' instead... Line 71: The file 'genomaps/map.htm' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map2.htm' instead... Line 71: The file 'genomaps/map.htm' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map3.htm' instead... Line 71: The file 'genomaps/map.htm' is already assigned. Using 'genomaps/map4.htm' instead... Loading dictionary.xml... Processing template 'init.htm'... Processing template 'default.htm'... Processing template 'toc_tree.htm'... Processing template 'toc_individuals.htm'... Processing template 'toc_families.htm'... Processing template 'toc_pictures.htm'... Processing template 'toc_contacts.htm'... Processing template 'toc_places.htm'... Processing template 'toc_sources.htm'... Processing template 'home.htm'... Processing template 'heading.htm'... Processing template 'maps.htm'... Processing template 'individual.htm'... The tag 'Individual.birth.baptism.priest' is no longer valid. Try 'Individual.Birth.Baptism.Officiator' Processing template 'family.htm'... The tag 'Family.marriage.religious.date' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Date' The tag 'Family.marriage.religious.place' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Place' The tag 'Family.marriage.religious.priest' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Officiator' The tag 'Family.marriage.religious.witnesses' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Witnesses' The tag 'Family.marriage.civil.date' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Date' The tag 'Family.marriage.civil.place' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Place' The tag 'Family.marriage.civil.notary' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Officiator' The tag 'Family.marriage.civil.witnesses' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Witnesses' The tag 'Family.marriage.religious.source' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Source' The tag 'Family.marriage.civil.source' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Source' The tag 'Family.marriage.religious.IsAnnulled' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).IsAnnulled' The tag 'Family.marriage.civil.IsAnnulled' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).IsAnnulled' The tag 'Family.separation.date' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Divorce.Date' The tag 'Family.separation.place' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Divorce.Place' The tag 'Family.divorce.date' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Divorce.Date' The tag 'Family.divorce.place' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Divorce.Place' The tag 'Family.divorce.source' is no longer valid. Try 'Family.Marriages(0).Divorce.Source' Error at line 180 (Code/Lang.vbs) generating 'family.fam00001.htm': Invalid procedure call or argument: '[string: "(null)"]' Microsoft VBScript runtime error 800A0005
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By genome - Thursday, November 24, 2005
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It looks like you are using pre-Beta 15 report templates with the Beta 15 GenoPro executable and the two are incompatible. Have you changed the default location where GenoPro looks for tempates? If so update that location with the templates that were installed with Beta15.
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By Neth - Thursday, August 31, 2006
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GenoProSupport (11/10/2005) I think a mistress / lover relationship should be added.If you think that, why is it that it has still not been added after more than 9 months? I also, like the user above, miss the relationship option "long-term relationship". If the trouble is what to call it, then why not simply call it "long term relationship"? Or what about steady (or permanent) relationship or "committed relationship"? I personally prefer "long-term relationship" or "committed relationship".
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By GenoProSupport - Thursday, August 31, 2006
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Neth (8/31/2006) If you think that, why is it that it has still not been added after more than 9 months?I completely forgot about it. I have noted the following 3 relationships to my "todo" list: - Concubinage
- Mistress/lover
- Long term relationship/committed relationship
I need to find a symbol to draw there relationships and we are ready to go .
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By Reddy - Saturday, September 2, 2006
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How about a dashed black line, maybe with dots for concubinage, since it is often an inferior form of marriage. The committed relationship could be a solid blue line. I just don't know about the mistress lover though.
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By Neth - Friday, September 15, 2006
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I completely forgot about it. I have noted the following 3 relationships to my "todo" list: - Concubinage
- Mistress/lover
- Long term relationship/committed relationship
I need to find a symbol to draw there relationships and we are ready to go . Are you still working on this? Or have you forgotten it again Now there have been two updates since you wrote this and it has still not been added.
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By Neth - Monday, October 16, 2006
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I apparently need to ask about this again, since I haven't got an answers yet. Are you still working on adding these three relationships?
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By GenoProSupport - Sunday, October 22, 2006
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No, I had not forgotten about this. What is needed to change some of those relationships is a file format change. So far, the file format has not changed since Beta 16. I have changed the drawing of the family relationships to draw a house for cohabitation. 
I am open to suggestions to improve this list, yet keep it simple and without confusion. I asked several individuals their advice on the concubine and the best answer came from Ron (September 2006):
Concubine - surely this is synonymous with cohabitation, except that it does not describe the relationship but the status of the female partner. This is exactly the same as the earlier issue of what to call partners in a relationship - spouse, wife, common-law wife, mate, partner, husband, lover,mistress or even concubine. Perhaps there could be a 'title' property on the 'parent' (or should it be 'partner'?) pedigree-link allowing this to be specified. However it should not be included as a relationship type. Mistress/Lover - Mistress again describes the status of the female partner, not the relationship itself. Does 'Lover' differ from 'Dating' ? - dating is perhaps a short-term thing, whereas 'Lover' could be a short or long-term relationship. There is the implication with 'Lover' that one or both partners are married to other people so 'Extramarital affair' is a better description in my opinion. If it is not an extramarital affair then it is covered by 'dating' or 'Long term relationship'. Long Term Relationship/Committed relationship. I believe this is not covered elsewhere and complements 'Dating'. 'Dating' should perhaps be 'Dating or short term relationship' and this option 'Committed or long-term relationship'. As I changed the drawing for the symbols by adding a little house for cohabitation, I think the long-term relationship is covered in the cohabitation. I am thinking of renaming cohabitation to cohabitation (boyfriend/girlfriend) and remove ex-boyfriend/ex-girlfriend from dating. Maybe dating could be renamed seeing (like, "Joe is seeing this girl", meaning he is visiting her from time to time). English is my second language. Any feedback is welcome. Thanks.
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By Howard53 - Monday, October 23, 2006
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As I changed the drawing for the symbols by adding a little house for cohabitation, I think the long-term relationship is covered in the cohabitation. I discussed this topic once before, and I cannot agree that cohabitation and long-term relationship are essentially the same, although there may be some overlap. The Wikipedia definition of cohabitation is: Cohabitation is defined as an emotional, physical, and intellectually intimate relationship which includes a common living place and which exists without the benefit of legal, cultural, or religious sanction The important qualification here is a common living place, which is not necessary for a long-term relationship. I think Ron's discussion on this point was very well put.
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By Howard53 - Monday, October 23, 2006
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How about using the phrase Intimate Relationship? This is defined in Wikipedia as: An intimate relationship is an interpersonal relationship with a great deal of physical and/or emotional intimacy. It is usually characterized by romantic or passionate love and attachment. Sexuality may or may not be involved. This could potentially cover both short-term and long-term relationships.
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By Kruuse - Friday, June 25, 2010
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It's still not added? I just downloaded trial, and I can't see the option. I got atleast 2 person I wanna add a lover too in the tree I wanna make.
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