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Posted Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - Post #10691
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It may not be a bug as such, but seems strange.

I entered for 3 of my families: marriage->religious (and no other data). The following screenshot shows, when opening the "table Layout -> families", 3 times that marriage in family 9 (the correct one) but also 10 & 13. Is it normal?

 

For info, the said 3 marriages are all grouped together under the same marr00005, as shown below:



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Posted Friday, March 24, 2006 - Post #10765
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Any answer to my question?.Thanks
Posted Friday, March 24, 2006 - Post #10771
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Have you checked are there some overlaying (several marriages one over the other)? Try manually arranging to see if there is any!


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Posted Friday, March 24, 2006 - Post #10773
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I checked and cannot see any problem. It is, I suppose, the way Genopro handle (and group) marriages/unions. I entered a dummy marriage place in one of my marriages. Genopro split Marr00005 into 2 (row 3 and 6 of the Unions screen). Why Genopro didn't name it 00010, for example, instead of 00005 again? That's another question. Thanks.

Posted Friday, March 24, 2006 - Post #10774
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My last experiment is as follows: I entered 3 different dummy places. The 3 marriages are now split (rows 3, 6 & 7) as shown:

I then delete the said places and, to make sure, from the stray items list. The 3 marriages are still split (same rows 3,6 & 7) but under the same marr 00005 No. To my opinion, and this is the point of this topic,Genopro should have handled/considered 3 separate marriages instead of a grouped one. Thanks.

Posted Friday, March 24, 2006 - Post #10776
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Are those marriages between same persons?

What I thought is possibility of overlaying marriages in visual representation, but I might be wrong! If I got it right it's really strange...


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Posted Saturday, March 25, 2006 - Post #10781
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It took me awhile viewing the Families and Unions tables to realise the way GenoPro stores information. If the marriage information is identical (ie Marriage Type, Marriage Date, etc) regardless of the spouses involved, then GenoPro stores the information under the same id (Marrnnnnn), and lists the spouses involved under the Dependents/Assigned To column in the Unions table (if necessary increase the width of the column to see all the spouses. Clicking on any set of spouses should link to the appropriate unique family in the Families table.

icquasp, the problem you are having with duplicate Marrnnnnn entries is, I believe, related to the incorrect famnnnnn information shown in your first post. For some reason GenoPro has mixed up the information Marriages and Husband / Wife columns. I had a similar problem where a correctly (as far as I could see Ermm ) marriage would only display as 'Family' in the Marriages column. It wasn't until I deleted the 'Link as Parent' links and then relinked them that the marriage showed up correctly.

I suggest that you delete the incorrect links in your tree and then reconnect them - hopefully that will correct the family information, and the problems you are having with the Marrnnnnn ids should go away. (One other thought, related to a post from several months ago, maybe one or more of the links is a 'Link as child' or 'Link as Parent' where it should be the other - that can seriously mess up the information, even though the graphic looks OK.)

Posted Saturday, March 25, 2006 - Post #10783
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I removed the 3 mate links as suggested and relinked my 3 couples. This is OK now as I've got 3 separate entries in the union table view: Marr00010, 11 & 12. I also deleted my 3 obsolete Marr00005 from the stray panel.

I tried to recreate the initial scenario but to no avail. Thank you anyway.

Posted Monday, August 14, 2006 - Post #12471
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I'm just realizing the significance of this thread. I have 2700+ married families in my database and only 1200+ unions. Much to my surprise, since I had no idea this was the case, there are as many as 10 families lumped into a single marriage number. These are completely unrelated families, with no common spouses or names. Apparently GenoPro lumps multiple families together into one marriage number if the marriage date, type and location are the same. These are usually the marriages which don't have an exact date (only the year) and no location listed (I use the marriage comments for this). I guess I don't have an immediate problem with this method, although I don't see the reasoning other than conserving database size.
Further, I am unclear as to why a family is distinct from a union?. I can't think of a reason why I would want to separate them. In the rare case where there might be two separate ceremonies, one for each spouse's religion, then just put the details in the comments. Otherwise, why isn't there one union and one family?. If a couple separates (divorces) and the individuals remarry, a new family is formed with a new family number... why is a new union also required... what's the difference? My opinion is that the lumping together of multiple families into common marriage numbers is potentially troublesome and definitely confusing. Ermm
Posted Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - Post #12473
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Further, I am unclear as to why a family is distinct from a union?. I can't think of a reason why I would want to separate them. In the rare case where there might be two separate ceremonies, one for each spouse's religion, then just put the details in the comments. Otherwise, why isn't there one union and one family?.

The problem with putting information in the comments field is that the information is not then reported by the Report Generator. It may not be often that a couple will have more than one marriage ceremony, but if they do then it is the job of a genealogy program to record that information accurately. It is also important that the information given to the casual observer (ie the report) reflects that situation - some families are very sensitive about the religious ceremonies that have taken place and the relevant importance given to them.

Further to this point, there is a small bug in the Report Generator. If the order of the marriages is changed in the Unions tab (ie a later marriage is listed before an earlier one), it is reported as below:

Obviously the 'Subsequently' should be replaced by 'Previously' in this case.



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