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I only "found" GenoPro within the last two weeks after chatting with a social worker returning from training which relied, in part, on the unique genetic illustration characteristics in GenoPro.
I was about to license this app when I found this thread by happenstance. Now I'm taking a wait and see attitude. The licensing fee is more than reasonable, so it's not concern about licensing an abandoned app that's holding me back. It's the cost of my time learning the program and completing the new data it collects on unique characteristics of my family. And while a GEDCOM is available as an export option, where will that data be readable if the unique fields and relationships recorded and illustrated in GenoPro aren't replicated in another program some time in the future? That's what's holding me back. I'm wondering if the authors in fact no longer intend to continue it's development, for whatever reason(s) as seems to be the case by their silence, if they would be willing to sell the app to permit it's continued development? And if no suitable buyer or price can be located, whether they'd consider contributing it to the public domain as an OpenSource app for continued development by those with the technical expertise to do so? It's troubling not knowing what the authors are thinking and their plans for this intriguing app. So I'll watch before investing my time and effort in this otherwise exciting "treasure." R
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Thank you for your kind words. I understand your concerns and concur they are fully justified. During the past 13 years I have been spending time learning sound economics while studying ethics and philosophy. I also started to become aware of what is going around the world and understanding the "big picture" of the economical and political landscape. Being discontented with the current situation and the direction of our future, I started searching for solutions, mostly regarding mass poverty around the world and the problem of growing unemployment. A series of events led me become involved in a special project having the potential to change the economical and political landscape around the world. This is not a one-man project; rather it is a coordinated team effort of individuals and organizations from all around the world, including prestigious educational institutions and universities. There is no quick fix for such a massive problem, however technology can do leaps and bounds accelerating improvements. We are developing a solution for eradicating municipal corruption and giving power to citizens for making more decisions for themselves. The benefits are lower costs of living and increased quality of public services, both contributing at reducing poverty within the community. If this solution produces tangible results, then other municipalities will adopt it. After all, people want to live better and willing to try new technologies if producing improvements. Like the Internet and/or smart phones, this technology may spread around the world and create communities that are more humane and responsive to their citizens. The same technology may be applied to state and national level, however I believe this will happen only when the majority of municipalities are already using this technology, and during elections the majority of the population will be explicitly demanding and insisting on using such a technology. We have a unique window of opportunity for creating such a municipality. During the past century, there has been only a handful of events leading to similar opportunities. Since the world political landscape is rather unstable, time is of the essence. Also there are many powerful institutions vested in the status-quo. As a result, most of our work is not public until we have something tangible to offer to the world. The solution is an open- source project which will be available for free to anyone wishing to use and modify to their needs. I am also learning Qt and love it. I find Qt a comprehensive solution to make an application such as GenoPro available to many platforms (Windows, Macintosh, Linux, Android, Blackberry). GenoPro is not abandoned however the current focus is this special project. There are so many hours in a day, and I cannot miss such an opportunity to work on this open source project. As loyal GenoPro users, I believe you deserve an answer. -- Daniel.
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Sure wish I could take credit for Daniel's extensive response. There are many more amongst this group who have a greater right to reply than do I, but since the world is unfair, I'll do it anyway.
I read your response with interest Daniel. And now we understand your priorities a little better and where your available time is being invested these days. For what it's worth, I was involved in international development work for some time, and have an inkling about the problems you are hoping to address. I'm also somewhat skeptical that something with as much potential to substantially reduce or eliminate graft in international development work will be as readily accepted as it should be. There are just too many vested interests who will be hurt if and when such transparency is more universal. I'm not saying it can't be done, but without the support of the lenders mandating it's use, I question how readily it will be allowed to grow and expand. Contact me off line if you want to explore this a little. While fascinating to some, to others it's way, way off topic. More on point to the issue at hand, however, is how open those involved with developing this application are to divesting themselves of it so it's development doesn't continue to be limited. Is that something you/they would explore? And if so, who amongst your loyal followers should be given the opportunity to champion this effort? But if that can't be done with a minimum of distractions, how willing would you/they be to continuing the development of the app as an opensource app on something like SourceForge? Those closest to the development of this program know the community it draws from far better than anyone. Have you contacted some of the key members of your extended community to see if they have the time and/or technical skill to manage it's continued growth? There are a million other hypotheticals one could posit, but if you're hoping to retain control in the hopes the higher priority project will some day come to a close so you can return your focus, it's just a waste of electrons to add them. Where are you on your thinking, and do those interested in taking a leading role know how to reach you offline so your discussion aren't conducted in a fishbowl. Transparency is great for some things, but others, not so much. If you can spare time for a response spelling out a little more about your thinking and how people could reach you directly, it might move the discussion along. Either way, many thanks for making the time for your response. |
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Thank you for your reply. I agree with you this project may sound a fantasy or Utopian, however we have a unique opportunity for an autonomous region.
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Just because something has the potential to significantly alter things, doesn't make it Utopian in my mind at least. As Daniel indicated even if it's very difficult to accomplish this new objective one has to try. That's what moves the world forward.
My point was simply that there is probably a direct correlation between the good you and others working on this project hope to do, and those who will do whatever they can to prevent it from happening because they benefit from the current situation. What is it the US Seabees say, "the impossible just takes a little bit longer"? R
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I, too, would love to see an update to GenoPro, if only for a few of the minor (to me, but I'm not a programmer beyond a bit of HTML and JavaScript) enhancements I've mentioned in the past, such as allowing users to build custom name strings for Full Name and Display Name. I realize that we can edit both of these fields, but I'd rather not *edit* several thousand entries individually when a few clicks for each individual would accomplish the same goal in a fraction of the time... and that time adds up when dealing with thousands of entries.
I have no interest in moving to another program at this point, because GenoPro is the only program I have found that allows me to work with the entire family tree visually at once, and this is the single most important feature for my purposes.
Many thanks to Daniel for the response, and I hope we see something happen with GenoPro one way or another.
GenoPro: Best. Genealogy. Software. Ever.
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Thank you for your post, Daniel. It is not what I was hoping to hear but nevertheless it clears up a few things I was suspecting. I wish this could have been made earlier as I think a lot of customers were still hoping that some development was still continuing when in fact the opposite is the case.
From your post I can only conclude that because of your other interests, there is little hope of further enhancements to GenoPro in the foreseeable future, if ever. While you and others may find your cause a worthwhile exercise and you are obviously enthusiastic about it, it leaves the users who have purchased this application and were expecting future upgrades and regular enhancements high and dry.
What obligation do you and Jean-Claude feel you have towards these customers? For example, what time will be allocated to ensure that GenoPro remains compatible with future releases of software it relies on? Have there been any steps taken at all to satisfy those who have posted suggestions and requests for enhancements or will these never be realised? Etc.
You have explained where your current priorities lie but I think the time has also come to be completely frank about GenoPro. "GenoPro is not abandoned" doesn't really paint a complete picture.
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I would suggest: sell the concept. There are still a lot of development opportunities of Genopro and a cash-rich software company should be able to take on this. No futher evolution means the end of this wonderful and unique project.
I agree!
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GenoPro has always been compatible with previous release. Even if you have a file 10 years old there is a way to convert it to the latest version; I would not worry about that for future release.We still answer questions and help people using GenoPro. If Genome want, he can continue to update the report generator skin (we have an arrangement with him) but everyone have the right to change their priorities. Remember that GenoPro is a one time payment, you could have purchase it $10 back then and still have the latest version today. Who offer 10+ years of updates for free? Who can expect to have another 10?
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If only they had been published as annual new versions, the various implementations made by Genome, maybe this discussion would be different.
I understand that Dan does not want to die for GenoPro and prefers to deal with other problems and dreams, but there are others to delegate work and responsibility.
I understand that Genome is perplexed since it has not even obtained the tag BaseLanguage in the interface.
GenoPro is built with too much love to be abandoned.
In any case will continue to use GenoPro!
Sorry for my Google-English.
Greetings.
Vittorino Lepore
"Se non porti almeno una soluzione, anche tu fai parte del problema" or "If you don't bring at least a solution, even you're a part of the problem"
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