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| Its nice to see the improvement. Thanks. My reccomendation is to add date of birth (death) also to the Birth Tab (Death Tab) not only to the first TAB. As soon as you are entring detail data to the Birth (Death) tab then you do not see the date.
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| It's nice to see somebody agreeding with you so quickly ;) I've just mentioned this problem under "Personal reservation ...", about 3 messages ago !
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| Speaking of Date of birth in the "General" Tab - Why calculate age only for a deceased people? Why not calculate it to a living individual? ;)
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Yehudad (8/30/2006)
Speaking of Date of birth in the "General" Tab - Why calculate age only for a deceased people? Why not calculate it to a living individual? ;)Good point. I renamed the label from Age to Age of Death. The age of a living individual is displayed in the family tree and also in the Table Layout.
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Good point. I renamed the label from Age to Age of Death. The age of a living individual is displayed in the family tree and also in the Table Layout. Age of Death is also displayed in the same places. Is it a big problem to display the Age for a living individual, as well?
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Yehudad (8/31/2006)
Is it a big problem to display the Age for a living individual, as well?There is no room to add another field. The dialog is full.
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Why bother have two fields for age and age of death? They're not differentiated on the actual genogram... I think if you're mucking around in the properties of the individual, you are competent enough to tell that the age displayed is the age now or the age when they died.
While we're on the topic... I can understand the utility of a "General" tab having all of this age info, etc... but having birth data split across two tabs is somewhat cumbersome, especially since the birth source is on a different tab than the birth date (for example). If I only have dates, I put the date on one tab, and the source for that date on another.
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| The idea is to have the most common information on the General tab. Many genealogy software don't record more information than this. Having the information on the first tab helps new users to view and enter their information quickly without moving across tabs. Duplicating the birth date implies duplicating the date of death and age because since those date are linked together. As a result, we would need to repeat the trio 3 times which would be a waste of dialog space.
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JcMorin (8/31/2006)
The idea is to have the most common information on theGeneral tab. Many genealogysoftwaredon't record more information than this.Having the informationon the first tabhelps new users to view and enter their information quickly without moving across tabs.
Duplicating the birth date impliesduplicating the date of death and agebecause since those date are linked together. As a result, we would need to repeat the trio 3 times which would be a waste of dialog space.
I understand your plight fully... at the same time, however, making things easier for rookies should not mean making them more difficult for the non-rookies.
The thing is, this window is a Properties window... not a Summary window. The idea of Properties windows is that all related data is grouped together for modification. It's not meant as a summary. That's what the table view is for, or the report, or the genogram. If I'm showing my family tree to someone, I'm not showing them all of the individual properties. That is for data entry, and as such, should be arranged to ease data entry. While most genealogy software is limited in the information they provide, and you've placed all of that info on a single tab, what does that have to do with Genopro? Most info in the real world is not limited to these few fields, so not having the data organized logically makes the dialog confusing.
In my opinion. Sorry... I hate to crybaby about something you guys obviously worked hard on hammering out... :(
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I am not sure if this is the same point being discussed here but I would like to see the date of Birth on the Birth Tab. Presumably there is no problem having the same information appearing in two places.
I have been obtaining information from the IGI and census records and it would be much more convenient to have all the fields on one tab. This is particulary the case when checking data. At the moment the date of Baptism or Christening is not on the same display as birth data.
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appleshaw (8/31/2006)
I am not sure if this is the same point being discussed here but I would like to see the date of Birth on the Birth Tab. Presumably there is no problem having the same information appearing in two places.
I have been obtaining information from the IGI and census records and it would be much more convenient to have all the fields on one tab. This is particulary the case when checking data. At the moment the date of Baptism or Christening is not on the same display as birth data.
This is pretty much the same thing I'm talking about.
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CranMalReign (8/31/2006)
JcMorin (8/31/2006)
...this.Having the informationon the first tabhelps new users to view and enter their information quickly without moving across tabs.
Duplicating the birth date impliesduplicating the date of death and agebecause since those date are linked together. As a result, we would need to repeat the trio 3 times which would be a waste of dialog space.......The thing is, this window is a Properties window... not a Summary window. The idea of Properties windows is that all related data is grouped together for modification. It's not meant as a summary. That's what the table view is for, or the report, or the genogram. If I'm showing my family tree to someone, I'm not showing them all of the individual properties. That is for data entry, and as such, should be arranged to ease data entry. While mo I have to agree with CranMalReign completely. Tabs groups the imformations therefore the dates should present twice (on the first page birth+death and on the birth tab birth date again and on the death tab the death date again).
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| The best solution would be to EITHER 1. have data sorted by categories (as pre18) OR 2. have most common data present on first tab. It mostly depends on personal preferences. To have data present at two places and editable is obsolete, not to mention that it might be confusing. The most I would offer is presented date or age on second (birth tab).
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V.L.o (9/2/2006)
The best solution would be to EITHER 1. have data sorted by categories (as pre18) OR 2. have most common data present on first tab.
It mostly depends on personal preferences. To have data present at two places and editable is obsolete,not to mention that it might be confusing. The most I would offer is presented date or age on second (birth tab).
My recommendation is to have all data editable on the appropriate category tabs (birth dates, etc, on birth tab, death info on death tab) and have it non-editable on the first "summary" tab. If space is a problem, some can be saved by making the values labels instead of read-only text fields.
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I can not see why you need to have one part non-editable. The menus are only front ends to a database. If you change it in one place it will be updated in the other.
As to people being confused at having the same data in different places I would think that a user who might be confused would probably never get beyond the General tab
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appleshaw (9/2/2006)
I can not see why you need to have one part non-editable. The menus are only front ends to a database. If you change it in one place it will be updated in the other.
As to people being confused at having the same data in different places I would think that a user who might be confused would probably never get beyond the General tabOk, this is just discussion... No name calling please You are right in all that you said, but! Why should we have more then one input place... It's redundant, space consuming. As I see it, it should be avoided wherever possible!
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Why should we have more then one input place... It's redundant, space consuming. As I see it, it should be avoided wherever possible!
Agreed! Having multiple input places in the same properties dialog is confusing and redundant.
My very fondest wish (as I relayed in an earlier post) would be just to have the data organized logically like pre-b18, and not try to force a complex properties entry dialog be a summary window. My last suggestion was a compromise... have them on both, but why have two input fields?
I just can't rationalize the fact that date of birth/death and source of birth/death info are on two different tabs. All birth info should be accessed on a single tab, all death on a death tab, etc. Otherwise, it's cumbersome.
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CranMalReign (9/2/2006)
I just can't rationalize the fact that date of birth/death and source of birth/death info are on two different tabs. All birth info should be accessed on a single tab, all death on a death tab, etc. Otherwise, it's cumbersome.The date of birth and date of death are linked together to compute the age of death. Any missing field is computed if the two other are present. For instance, if you enter the date of death and the age of death, GenoPro will compute the age of birth. Having those fields on separate windows makes it very confusing, when deleting a value and having it re-appear in italic. All "computed" values are displayed in italic.
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I can see why it is useful to have dates of birth & death on the same tab as computed age on the General tab. However is there any reason why the same fields can not appear on the birth and death tab?
Entering data (and checking it) from the IGI (or census) it would be much more convenient to have all of the data fields on the same display. I can not see why this should cause any confusion. The picture on the General tab is selected from the Pictures tab.
On a different topic, the General Tab has become more of a Summary, so should the Summary tab be renamed - possibly to Relatives or Family
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GenoProSupport (9/2/2006)
Having those fields on separate windows makes it very confusing, when deleting a value and having it re-appear in italic. All "computed" values are displayed in italic.
I agree... that reappearing italic stuff was very confusing. And I understand that fixing it is probably difficult. I got past it easily w/ the "Clear field" workaround... I just don't think that this implementation is the most appropriate workaround.
I hate to be naggy about it, and I'm really not trying to be a brat because I love this software... but I just can't reiterate enough... having everything else grouped logically, but then having birth date and death date broken away from the rest of the birth/death info (including source!!!) is really not the right way to go.
I've been using GenoPro for over two years now (Beta 11, by my count)... and I've been loving it ever since... but this is the first change that makes my use of the software noticiably slower and more cumbersome.
Think of it this way... I'm no professional genealogist, but my guess is that most members of a family tree will be found through research of documents... documents like birth records and death records... not name-and-birth date-and-death date-and-primary job records. Sure... that info may be grouped like that for personal interviews with relatives... but that's a relativly small amount of individuals for most trees. It gets frustrating to have to jump around tabs for very closely related information.
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