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Relationship and Cause of Death descriptors in Narrative Report

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Posted Sunday, December 27, 2009 - Post #25158
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I was just really reading the report. I usually skim it to see if the "big picture" was correct or not. But I started to notice some curious things about relationship and cause of death descriptors.

Relationships...
No matter what you choose as the actual relationship in the individual's properties, on the time-line, it reports them all as "marriage / union" and it shows it twice - Marriage / Union Marriage / Union whoever. Should this not be what you selected in the properties dialogue box?? And why twice?? Although it doesn't show it twice all the time. And why does it have to be both a Marriage and a Union?? Pick one. It looks better, and sounds better. I guess if it was actually what's in the properties box, it would read correctly. This also reads in the person's details page for the individual as "were married in a ceremony" & "were divorced in" for a relationship OTHER than marriage (with defined start/end point). If it's NOT a marriage, such as "casual relationship or dating (short term)", then it should read that way. What about how to define the start/end point of these type of relationships?? Not only marriages have start/end points. ALL relationships do. It would be great if they (other than marriage) could be defined as well.

Cause of death...
My issue/concern/wish here is to keep the groupings of causes, well, to have NO groupings. I have a member that was murdered (beaten to death). But the report shows this as "Murdered / Assignation". I think these should be separate events, they are not synonymous. That goes for some of the other causes listed. Sure, it makes the list longer... But it will present and read much better. Or get rid of the list, and you simply type in a cause (as detailed as you like).


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Posted Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - Post #25166
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Relationships...
No matter what you choose as the actual relationship in the individual's properties, on the time-line, it reports them all as "marriage / union" and it shows it twice - Marriage / Union Marriage / Union whoever. Should this not be what you selected in the properties dialogue box??

It occurs twice because of a bug - I've fixed it in the latest release.  It is not the same as the relationship in the properties box due to an oddity and limitation in GenoPro. The 'relationship' is a point/duration in time statement but unfortunately as you say there is no mechanism to define that point or duration. We only have dates for 'marriage/unions' and separation/divorces and so only these can be recorded on the timeline. The 'relationship' is probably a hang over from when GenoPro had no 'Union' object.

What I believe GenoPro requires (and have requested in the past) is a more generic way of recording events for both families and individuals, mirroring the way Gedcom data is structured. Unfortunately there has been no movement in this direction.

You can however 'bend' things a little and use the Union 'NarrativeStyle' custom tag to record such events including start & ends of other relationship types. see this thread for further information. A family can have more than one 'Union' record allowing changing relationships to be recorded e.g. dating - engagement - marriage.

The term 'marriage / union' was chosen because I did not consider all 'unions' in the GenoPro sense to be marriages. e.g. Civil Ceremony. You can of course create your own custom Dictionary.xml and change it. Smile

Cause of death...
My issue/concern/wish here is to keep the groupings of causes, well, to have NO groupings.
GenoPro already allows you to leave the cause of death blank and just type free text in the 'specify' box. The advantage of a list is you then have a consistent way of specifying cause and it also simplifies translation if required. My preference would be to allow user defined lists, keeping the advantages of selection lists but giving more freedom.



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Posted Tuesday, December 29, 2009 - Post #25170
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It occurs twice because of a bug - I've fixed it in the latest release.
Yeah, I just noticed that. Cool. Thanks.


Ron
What I believe GenoPro requires (and have requested in the past) is a more generic way of recording events for both families and individuals, mirroring the way Gedcom data is structured. Unfortunately there has been no movement in this direction.
Well, that's not good news at all. Sad Oh well. I guess I have no choice but to live with it. It just reads so wrong, as well as being wrong for many relationships.


Ron
You can however 'bend' things a little and use the Union 'NarrativeStyle' custom tag to record such events including start & ends of other relationship types. see this threadfor further information. A family can have more than one 'Union' record allowing changing relationships to be recorded e.g. dating - engagement - marriage.
I did manage to create, and use, a Custom Tag for image mapping - _AreaMap. But that had a very good example to follow.


Ron
The term 'marriage / union' was chosen because I did not consider all 'unions' in the GenoPro sense to be marriages. e.g. Civil Ceremony. You can of course create your own custom Dictionary.xml and change it. Smile
Yeah, if I had ANY clue how to do that. And then do it without breaking GenoPro, or worse, my .gno file. Crying


Ron
GenoPro already allows you to leave the cause of death blank and just type free text in the 'specify' box. The advantage of a list is you then have a consistent way of specifying cause and it also simplifies translation if required. My preference would be to allow user defined lists, keeping the advantages of selection lists but giving more freedom.
Oh. Well, that makes sense. Never thought of leaving it blank. D'OH!!



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