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Author Suggestions to improve the AutoArrange and solutions to leverage the AutoArrange.
Posted Saturday, June 18, 2005 - Post #5149
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Hi to all. My congratulations too to Dan Morin for his great work. I just purchased GenoPro, after using the unregistered version 1.91 for a couple of months, having created more than 1,100 people-entries in my (and my wife's) family tree. The program is great and I love it!

A feature I love but *wonder* whether it can be improved is 'AutoArrange'. It's great that it makes everything look so neat, however it's a bit of a problem that generation hierarchy is not easily identifiably at first sight. What I mean is that, for example, cousins of mine appear above (on the tree, visually, not hierarchically) some grand-parents of mine. Perhaps this is inevitable, especially for trees that get too extended horizontally, however I was wondering whether there can be a solution to it.

Again, congratulations to Dan for what he has done, and hopefully for what he will still do.

Stefanos
Cyprus


Edited: Sunday, October 08, 2006 by Stefanos
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #5150
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This message was originally in the Congrats on the new forum! however I believe the AutoArrange deserves a topic on its own.

I am surprised so many uses are using the AutoArrange being unaware GenoPro can create beautiful genealogy trees without the AutoArrange. I personally built many genealogy trees and never used the AutoArrange in any of them. I utilize the toolbar buttons to create parents and add children, and use the mouse to move the newly created objects (when necessarily).

Having said that, I want to tell everyone there will be a better AutoArrange for version 2.1. Why version 2.1? Because it would delay version 2.0 if included in this version. The goal is to release v2.0 ASAP without compromising quality and future growth of the product. The new AutoArrange will have parameters (options) to do different layouts, and capable to create internal hyperlinks to the same and/or a different GenoMap.

The original AutoArrange was based on the Genogram Rules, however this method produces overlapping when positioning the ancestors and children for a complex web of relationships. I am inviting you to visit the Genogram Rules and you will understand the difficulty to position the ancestors and descendents after positioning the parents.

The new AutoArrange will still follow those rules, however it will have a built-in mechanism to detect overlapping. Once overlapping has been detected, it will use heuristics to determine where to place the rest of the genealogy tree. Depending on the options selected, the AutoArrange may create an internal hyperlink to the same GenoMap or to a different GenoMap. All the Genogram Rules will be observed. The new AutoArrange will also be capable to auto-arrange a selection (a branch of a tree) rather than auto-arranging the entire tree.

What Can Be Done?
With GenoPro Beta 11 and beyond, you can split your genealogy tree into sub-trees using the GenoMaps.
  1. If you have overlapping, select a branch of your genealogy tree you want to move to a different GenoMap. You may use the mouse or the toolbar buttons. To get started, click on one individual where you see the most overlapping, then click on the toolbar button "Select Ancestor Tree" or "Select Descendent Tree". If you get too much selection, try the same process with another individual. If you still have too much selection, select one individual and click four or five times on the "Select One Generation" toolbar button to select four to five generations around the individual. You are welcome to do any combinations of selection using the various toolbar buttons.
  2. Right-click to get the context menu and pick "Move to GenoMap" to move the selection to a desired GenoMap. GenoPro will preserve all the pedigree links. Some links may not be visible in either GenoMap but will remain there and all the parent-child hierarchy will remains intact.
  3. Once you have moved the selection to a new GenoMap, click on the AutoArrange toolbar button. This action will arrange the sub-tree you just moved in the new GenoMap. If you don't like the new layout, click on the Undo button twice and go to step #1.
  4. Go to your main GenoMap (typically the first GenoMap) and click on the AutoArrange. The AutoArrange will create a different layout since some branches of the genealogy tree have been moved in step #2. If you don't like the new layout, you may click Undo 3 times to roll back to step #1. If you have seen improvement, repeat step #1 until you have no more overlapping.




Edited: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 by GenoProSupport
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #5151
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I only can confirm what Dan is saying about the autoarrange function. I never use it any more, unless I want to see a section of the tree arranged the way Genopro suggests.
When genomaps were not around I had all members (app. 2500) in one tree arranged in such way that there were no crossing lines, however not always following the proper rules. With genomaps around I have splitted the tree into smaler branches and use hyperlinks to connect them. Besides having a tree with 2500 members becomes so big (wide) its hard to find a suitable print shop to do this job (40 pages(A4) across and 3 pages in vertical direction). Smaller trees are much better manageable.
If I would include pictures into these trees, the trees become even wider.
Another advantage is you can supply members of the family with a tree of their choice rather than with a tree which has no meaning to them to a certain extent.
Once I suggested a ruler on the left or right side showing generations or years, making it easy to arrange to generations, but since the genomaps were getting more manageable in size this request does not have priority any more, although the request still remains.
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #5152
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Uhm...may be I have to learn more about arranging the diagram.
I still use the auto arrange. My goal is to get the diagram more better to see, then after the auto arrange, I arrange it manually to get the diagram better to see.
But lately I get more problems with this auto arrange. Since I have more than 7000 individuals, I get an ugly diagram everytime someone has more than 2 wives/husbands. Luckily there are not so many of them Smile
Is this problem known by you ?
I have tried someone with 3-4-5 wives at the beginning of the diagram. It was fine (there are not so many individuals) but when I add the wives/husband after I get more than 1000 inviduals, than the diagram will become ugly.

Steve
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #5153
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Since I have more than 7000 individuals, I get an ugly diagram everytime someone has more than 2 wives/husbands. Luckily there are not so many of them Smile
Is this problem known by you ?

This is a known inssue and cannot be fixed without a complete rewrite of code. GenoPro does detect the multiple wives/husbands however it does not know where to place them. The rules to place the husband to the left and the wife to the right creates an ugly diagram in such situations because after having placed the parents, the children must be placed underneath, and the ancestors above. If each husband and wife has children and ancestors, you can have an idea of the problem involved. This will be changed for version 2.1.




Edited: Sunday, January 15, 2006 by GenoProSupport
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #5154
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It seems that many users don't use the AutoArrange function and prefer to do it manually (unless there is a third option, of which I am not aware). I would personally find that very difficult, to arrange a large number of entries myself, especially since every now and then I learn about new family members and would have to push everything here and there all the time.

For me the ideal would be to have partial AutoArrange, i.e. to be able to select a part/branch of the tree and then ask GenoPro to AutoArrange only that part. In this way, the user can let the program arrange most of the tree while taking care himself/herself of certain branches he/she feels like arranging manually. Or, vice versa, he/she may arrange most of the tree manually while saving time letting GenoPro do some more "predictable" work. That would be great, I think.

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Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #5155
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For me the ideal would be to have partial AutoArrange, i.e. to be able to select a part/branch of the tree and then ask GenoPro to AutoArrange only that part.


I second Stefanos's motion. I feel pretty much the same. Partial Auto-Arrange is the future! :wink:

Ciao!
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Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #5156
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Me too! 8) I originally wrote: "The new AutoArrange will also be capable to auto-arrange a selection (a branch of a tree) rather than auto-arranging the entire tree." I guess I should have put somewhere the words "partial AutoArrange".

I would personally find that very difficult, to arrange a large number of entries myself, especially since every now and then I learn about new family members and would have to push everything here and there all the time.

My suggestion is to use the hyperlink feature. You can grow your genealogy in another dimension by creating a sub-tree into another GenoMap.




Edited: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 by GenoProSupport
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #5157
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AutoArrange might be an omitted feature for all those, who use GenoPro to create and maintain their family tree. I on the other hand use Brother's Keeper for that purpose, but still switch to GenoPro whenever I need a bigger picture of the whole tree, or wish to do a nice printout or so. In that case I keep an exported GEDCOM file, updated on changes to the main database, and import it into GenoPro.

I'd probably go nuts waisting a hell lot of time to arrange the tree by hand if it wasn't for the AutoArrange feuture Smile So as for me that's the no 1 upgrade I'm really looking forward to test when it appears.
Posted Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Post #5158
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just thought i would chime in

i would love to use autoarrange but i dont becuase it doesnt do a good job on my larger family tree


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