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Another solution to pictures with selections and notes is the .djvu format. The main disadvantage is that the facilities are most easily implemented in a browser, and this requires a plug-in - available from a few sources, but best from the commercial developers, LizardTech
http://www.lizardtech.com/download/dl_options.php?page=doc
This is free, as is the image editor they originally provided, but now charge for; it is still freely available (Solo 3.1) from
http://www.planetdjvu.com/resources.htm
An advantage of the djvu format is that you can attach a URL to different parts of the image. I have placed a demonstration of this at (After you have got the .djvu viewer)
http://www.appleshaw.plus.com/djvu/wedding.djvu
If you move the cursor over the picture, each person has a identifying ring appear, containing information (their name). However if you select the old man in the centre front (Grandpa Jenkins) and click here it will (?should) load the family web site.
Some image editors eg IrfanView, can display the .djvu format but not the additional information. I have only found this in a browser and the Solo editing package. If it is possible for GenoPro to make use of this format it would make a very useful addition
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Fantastic. Wow! I downloaded the DjVu plugin and I am very impressed with the performance of this document archiving software. The picture http://www.appleshaw.plus.com/djvu/wedding.djvu is 211 KB small, yet the full quality of a 500 KB JPEG file. The compression of DjVu is even better for documents.
This is exactly what GenoPro users need to store family pictures and other documents such as birth certificates, marriage contracts, wills, etc.
Some individuals may think this is too good to be true, but there are many reasons why JPEG and GIF fail to archive documents. First, the technology for both JPEG and GIF is over 20 years old, and since then, processors have become faster to perform compression and computers have more memory giving more opportunity for new compression/decompression algorithms. There is also an intrinsic problem with both JPEG and GIF:
The JPEG is for pictures and GIF is for logos. In other words, if you scan a picture, you are better to store it in JPEG; if you capture a screen shot or a logo, you better save it in GIF format. GIF may be good to store images, but is limited to 256 colors compared to 16 million colors for JPEG. The problem when scanning a document is the document is mostly text / logo - not a picture.
I have scanned documents at 300 DPI and wanted to archive them to my hard drive. Well, the raw files were about 10 MB in size. I tried to save them in JPEG and the size was about 700 KB. Saving the same image in GIF or PNG gave me a size of about 300 KB and and a better image quality. One reason the GIF/PNG offer a better performance than JPEG was because the documents I scanned were text, with the exception of the company logo. JPEG is not good for text, nor for logos, so JPEG produced a blured image while taking more disk space. JPEG stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group. Nevertheless to say, is good only for pictures, not for sharp text.
Neither JPEG nor GIF have been designed to archive documents; this is why DjVu is such an attractive alternative. Later, I will investigate the technical details how to leverage this tool for GenoPro. DjVu has support for hyperlinks which is a big bonus. In the meantime, I will let people know about DjVu and I will use DjVu for my own archive of documents... I am sure I can get the same image quality with less than 100 KB with DjVU  .
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Thanks appleshaw for this hint and the links. Have tried it now myself and I too like it. My concern is the big browser plug in, for which not everybody has space on her/his PC.
To GenoPro: can this file (djvu format) be accomodated into the "closed figure" and then used as part of a SVG file? Would be great with links to the persons in the grafik.
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I was curious about the DjVu, so I did a Google search on DjVu. (Google found 1.5 million documents with the word DjVu).
From my understanding, there are libraries available to view a DjVu file (http://djvu.sourceforge.net/). In the future, GenoPro could display a DjVu file the same as it does display a JPEG image. This is very exciting.
My concern is the big browser plug in, for which not everybody has space on her/his PC.[/quote]
It is true the download size of the DjVu plugin is 8.7 MB, and the plugin does not work standalone to view those .djvu files. I am certain GenoPro can display DjVu files without increasing the size of GenoPro.exe by too much. When I added support to display JPEG images, the size of GenoPro.exe increased by 40,960 bytes (40.0 KB).
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The automatic download is much smaller - from memory 1.8Mb. This will only work with Internet Explorer, which I try to avoid. However if you are looking at GenoPro in a browser and want to see the GenoMaps, I find that you have to use IE.
Does anyone know how to use other browsers, such as Mozilla, effectively with GenoPro web reports? I suppose I should wait for Beta13 before pursuing this question
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Your question with regard to using Mozilla as a browser for GenoPro report can be answered as follows:
Opening the report itself reacts the same way as it does in IE browser, however clicking the link for the gno file, which opens in IE browser within the right frame, if nothing else is specified, opens the application (GenoPro) as it does normally without the browser.
No plug-in yet.
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maru-san has described what I know but the problem is that when Mozilla loads the file familytree.gno into your own version of GenoPro, it looks the same as the version inside IE, but none of the hyperlinks work back into the data inside Mozilla. You get a message
'Unable to open C:\DOCUM~1\NAME~1\LOCAL~1\TEMP\ind00015.htm'
I have not tried Opera, which is supposed to have an IE emulator, but suspect this another example of the use of MS 'enhancements' of the internet, which mean you can not avoid their software.
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I consider that the pictures would have to be manipulated to a greater size. Only I can visualize it to the size that I scan? and if outside ampler one would leave the screen and there would not be way of, perhaps, to drag it with a little hand to see it in the minimum details. Also this one would be another success of Genopro. All the professionals they like to see the details. My english, no good. Thanks
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maru-san (8/18/2005)
can this file (djvu format) be accomodated into the "closed figure" and then used as part of a SVG file? Would be great with links to the persons in the grafik.
Now that the SVG file is part of the report generator, like to bring this amendment as an embedded picture/grafik into the SVG again on the table, although I know its only for version 2.5 or later.
It could not only be used for group pictures(wedding, etc.), but also for maps pinpointing the location of various family members
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Whilst both SVG and DjVu have browser plug-ins available, there is not, as far as I know, a DjVu plug-in for SVG and so I can't see how a DjVu image could be embedded in SVG. One solution, which unfortunately will only work with IE, might be to display the DjVu image in a browser frame, i.e. the 'map' frame used for the SVG image, and then overlay the SVG genomap over it using the Adobe SVG plugin's 'transparent' mode (use wmode='transparent' attribute on the embed tag). This should allow you to click through the SVG image to activate links in the DjVu image, e.g. to bring up the individuals information page in the 'detail' frame above it. The URLs would have to be created manually unless there is a programming interface for DjVu file manipulation.
It might be difficult if not impossible to have DjVu -> SVG communication, unless DjVu->HTML->SVG could be used.
'lego audio video erro ergo disco' or "I read, I listen, I watch, I make mistakes, therefore I learn"
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