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I downloaded a gedcom from the IGI. The only important data, apart from names, was the date of Christening. GenoPro 2b12g does not recognise that this is equivalent to the Baptism and so puts the data into the Custom Tags. (So perhaps this posting should be in wish list)
I realise that it is part of the design policy to be exact about how data is interpreted but this is going to cause a lot of confusion to many users, particularly as the IGI is a major source of data.
Is it possible to have an alternative Gedcom import variant where the code CHR (see below) is interpreted as BAPTISM or the shortened version, which I think is BAPT. I would want this to be my default variant. As it is, it is not worth downloading the IGI gedcom - so the individual records have to be examined and the data entered into GenoPro. This has the obvious disadvantage of causing transcription errors.
If there is a way of copying the data in the table (CtrlT) between columns, that would provide a work-around. Any suggestions?
0 @I500014620840@ INDI
1 NAME ELIZA /WATERHOUSE/
1 SEX F
1 CHR
2 DATE 03 JUL 1814
2 PLAC Hayfield, Derby, England
1 FAMC @F28276441@
1 SOUR @S01@
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Just a thought: Can't you edit the GEDCOM and change the CHR tag to BAPT, and then import it?
As to GenoPro I would have suggest a mapping tool on import. When GenoPro dosnt recognise a tag, it opens its known tags and the user can select which tag is the tag he wants to hold the information.
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It is not that simple, although thanks for the thought. Changing the field names means GenoPro will not even look at the file or even put anything into the Message log. I guess that the file structure has built in safeguards to stop that happening.
Point is some other FH programs do recognise that baptism and christening are equivalent, although they do label the data correctly. The 'problem' is that the GenoPro screen says the data is baptism, so it will not make the assumption that the user wants to import the fields marked 'CHR'. However I think that is what most users WOULD want, and they should not have to edit the data.
In the meantime if anyone has any ideas of how it can be altered at present, please share them.
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Since starting this I have begun to look up what is the difference between baptism and christening. I do not pretend to be any sort of expert. A good introduction is on
http://www.baptism.org.uk/what_is_baptism.htm
One fairly common idea is that baptism is for adults as it can imply accepting of beliefs, which an infant can not do, and is thus Christened.
Another complication is that different churches take different views on baptism and the Catholic church has recently disavowed the LDS baptism. The LDS are a major source of data which they have collected from old registers. Those that I have seen in England from the 18th and 19th century refer to Baptism. However as in the LDS baptism has their own specific meaning that is presumably why they refer to these entries as Christenings.
Final point to ponder. The GenoPro Properties Birth page refers to Religious Record, which can thus include all faiths. The subsequent fields strictly (to my mind, I am open to correction here) refer to Christianity. If the Title became 'Religious Naming'; the first field just 'Date' and the Godfather/Godmother became 'Sponsor' it would avoid a lot of problems
We need comment from genealogists here and also consideration of what it means from the data side
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| I am refering to the question wether data can be copied from one column to another. Yes this can be done via Excel. Copy the table to Excel and paste the part you need back into the table. Most of the marriage dates before 1870 are most probably marriages in the church in Germany and not civil arrangements. Sorting the table layout first accordingly is essential befor exporting to Excel and keeping it that way until the paste function is finished.
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Thanks for making me aware of this issue. Each Gedcom tag is imported on a case-by-case basis. If you have a missing tag, please send me a sample .gno file and I will write the code to handle this case. Eventually GenoPro will handle all Gedcom tags.
Importing Gedcom tags is not always a text to text conversion. Sometimes the data has to be splitted, or moved to another object in GenoPro. For instance, importing the OCCUpation field is as simple as copying the text from the Gedcom file into GenoPro. Since GenoPro uses a list of occupations, GenoPro has to create a new "Occupation" object and use the data from the Gedcom file as the name of the occupation, yet leaving all the other fields blanks. Eventually, I want GenoPro to be able to import multiple OCCU fields. I put the Gedcom import on the back-burner while I am working on this report generator. This report generator is taking more time, as I had to change many lines of code and start the dictionary/translation of GenoPro.
The GenoPro Properties Birth page refers to Religious Record, which can thus include all faiths The idea is to include all faiths. In the future, there GenoPro will display the proper names according to the faith. One thing I would eventually like to do is have a "Religion" dialog similar to the education. Since some individual do change religion in their lifespan, GenoPro will be a tool to record such changes. I want a "Political" dialog too.
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With reference to 'hidden tags' on Gedcom import, including CHRistening tags
In the meantime if anyone has any ideas of how it can be altered at present, please share them.
I had a similar issue on import of a large Gedcom file. Also a similar situation with CENSus and RESIdence tags. I have therefore updated my VBScript to convert CHR tags to Baptism fields and CENS & RESI tags to Occupation entries. Details are available here http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ronsweb/genealogy/tools.htm.
The script is offered 'as is' in good faith but without warranty so check results.
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Your page at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ronsweb/genealogy/tools.htm is very impressive. If you have any special requests for SVG support or something else, please let me know.
By reading http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ronsweb/genealogy/tools.htm#tool4, I saw the following:You must first make a small modification to your GenoMaps using GenoPro Beta. i.e. Create a large text box on every GenoMap that just covers the entire genogram
For instance, would you like a special XML tag that defines the boundary rectangle of each GenoMap, or a boundary rectangle of the visible area when the GenoMap was saved?
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Thanks for that offer Dan. Yes please, an extra element or attributes under the GenoMap element that defines a boundary rectangle that just covers the visible objects on the map would be great. Values for max x, max y, min x and min y would be fine. I had thought of sorting all position attributes to determine the max & min xy values but decided it was too complex hence the text label requirement. This should also allow you to provide a 'fit to screen' zoom level for GenoPro itself which would be very useful.
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What about the boundary rectangle for an individual and/or other objects? In GenoPro, each drawing object has a boundary rectangle. Sometime this rectangle is a bit larger than the actual drawing (for a shape for instance), but it gives a useful hint about the position and potential surface covered by the object.
For performance reasons, the boundary rectangle is computed only the when object is about to be displayed in a GenoMap. Exporting all boundary rectangles would require GenoPro to visit each drawing object for each GenoMap before saving to XML. I guess I worry too much about performance... after all, GenoPro is fast enough to spare a few million (and billion) CPU cycles.
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If there is a way of copying the data in the Table Layout (Ctrl+T) between columns, that would provide a work-around. Any suggestions?
I forgot to answer this question.... The Table Layout can copy & paste an entire column. Just right-click on the first cell, and select the menu item "Copy Column". Then, go to the column you want to paste and select Paste (Ctrl+V). The paste is a bit slow. One day I will optimize the code. I am sure I can get a 1000x speed improvement for any family tree larger than 1000 individuals.
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Re boundary rectangles: We may be talking at crossed purposes here. I would only need ONE boundary rectangle per GenoMap, stored with the GenoMap record, defining the maximum extent of all the individual objects' boundary rectangles. Could you not, as each object's boundary rectangle is computed for display purposes, compare the values with the GenoMap's own 'boundary rectangle' and maintain the genogram boundaries at that time, removing the need to recalculate on XML export? This 'genogram' boundary rectangle will be used to calculate the initial SVG transform, or zoom level, in order get the whole genogram to 'fit to window'. There is no need to export boundary rectangles for all objects in the GenoMap.
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I agree with you. You need only the boundary rectangle of each GenoMap; not the boundary rectangle of each object. I was asking if it would have been useful for you to have the boundary rectangle of each object too. To compute the boundary rectangle of a GenoMap, the boundary rectangle of each object has to be computed anyway. What remains to do is write the code for caching values to reduce unnecessary re-computations.
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I was interested in this discussion on VBScript to convert the xml to svg and followed the instructions ie: made text box, downloaded the two files vbs and xsl, renamed my xml file to match after down loading the viewer but on clicking on the vbs I get an error :-
Script: C:\Complete Family Trees\complete tree\test\gnoxml2svg.vbs
Line: 7
Char: 1
Error: Object required: 'xml'
Code : 800A01A8
Source: Microsoft VBScript runtime error
I am obviously missing something, but as I am a bit of a novice in this stuff I've got a bit lost.
Any ideas where I went wrong.
As my tree is now just awaiting the new report generator, I am just messing about to fill in time untill it arrives. :?:
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Iain, I've posted a reply in a new thread here Topic7622-70-1.aspx#1336 as I am feeling a little guilty hijacking appleshaw's topic for this discussion. It seems more appropriate to put it under 3rd party tools.
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I have found another variant of CHR in files from the IGI; CHRA seems to mean adult Christening. GenoPro imports these as CHRA.DATE and CHRA.place but can also do some odd things.
If the record is the only one with these extra records there is no problem. However if the record is part of a gedcom file with 'normal' records then there are two extra 'features' which are not expected.
If the CHR tag exists (and also _GEDCOM_ERROR.birth.DATE & _GEDCOM_ERROR.gender) then these two tags contain a copy of the CHRA data.
In addition the Report on the individual is different if there are both CHR and CHRA tags. In the simple case the Custom Tags show as expected. However if both tags are present in the file then the Custom Tag page shows blank CHR data; no place for CHRA but the data is shown as _GEDCOM_ERROR.birth.DATE & _GEDCOM_ERROR.gender.
Two files showing this behaviour are at
http://www.appleshaw.plus.com/BEVAN.ged
a single file with only CHRA data but the same data is also in
http://www.appleshaw.plus.com/BEVAN40.ged
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Thanks for reporting those Gedcom tags. I will work on this issue on Beta 14
Please read the post Topic6455-59-1.aspx#1280 for details.
As for the SVG viewer, I added the tag "boundary_rect". The conversation has been moved to Topic7622-70-1.aspx#1344
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FWIW, I think that the second idea (of exporting the boundaries of each individual) would come very close to being the resolution of my problem, which is exporting to .ged, modifying, reimporting, and finding that all my careful placement of individuals is gone (see wish-list topics).
Jonathan Danforth
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