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How can I show the date as approximate only? I've tried using abt & c . Is there another way? g_in_ger
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Concerning Julian-Gregorian change: not all the countries change at the same time. For example, until the october revolution (1905) Russia did not change (this is why the celebration of the october revolution is 7th of November )
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Concerning Julian-Gregorian change: not all the countries change at the same time. For example, until the october revolution (1905) Russia did not change (this is why the celebration of the october revolution is 7th of November ) You are right, this is a real issue. As a solution, GenoPro uses a proleptic calendar for all dates. It is the responsibility of the user to pick the right calendar before inputting a date from the chosen calendar. If you wish to enter Julian dates, then pick the Julian Calendar. GenoPro will use that calendar until you pick another calendar. For instance, the date December 31, 0099 in the Gregorian calendar is January 2, 0100 in the Julian calendar. In real life, the Gregorian calendar is used for dates on or after October 15, 1582, however you may express any date using the Gregorian calendar - although the Gregorian calendar may not have been the official calendar at that specific date.
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The new date support is cool!!I did found a problem, though. The conversion to the Hebrew calander is not working for me. For example - I have someone who died on 30 Nov 1984. Converting to the Hebrew calander with Hebrew (English) is working great. It is converted to 7 Kislev 5745, which is wrong. It suppose to be 6 Kislev 5745. This is the first problem. When I select Hebrew as language what I get is: 7 ספטמבר 5745. The month written in Hebrew is September!! which is not either the original month (November) nor the Hebrew one (Kislev)!
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It is possible the conversion of months is wrong. In fact, I just noticed I forgot the 13th month in the Hebrew calendar . This is really embarassing. Can someone tell me what is the proper date (in the Hebrew calendar) and I will adjust/rotate the months so they appear correct. This is the output from GenoPro: Output from GenoPro Today 's date in the Gregorian calendar: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 Today 's date in the Hebrew calendar: יום רביעי, מרץ 11, 5766 Months in the Hebrew calendar: Month #1 (Jan): ינואר Month #2 (Feb): פברואר Month #3 (Mar): מרץ Month #4 (Apr): אפריל Month #5 (May): מאי Month #6 (Jun): יוני Month #7 (Jul): יולי Month #8 (Aug): אוגוסט Month #9 (Sep): ספטמבר Month #10 (Oct): אוקטובר Month #11 (Nov): נובמבר Month #12 (Dec): דצמבר Month #13 (Sol): Yehudad (6/6/2006) I have someone who died on 30 Nov 1984. Converting to the Hebrew calander with Hebrew (English) is working great. It is converted to 7 Kislev 5745, which is wrong. It suppose to be 6 Kislev 5745. The date conversion from Gregorian calendar to Hebrew is not always accurate. Depending on the time of the day, the same date may be span two days in the Hebrew calendar. In the Hebrew calendar, the day starts at sunset (Genesis, Ch.1 v.5); but for lunar-based calendar calculation, the zero-hour used is at 1800h (6 p.m.) civil time, or Jerusalem meridian 2 hours 21 minutes East of Greenwich time. As a result, someone who died after 6 p.m. will not be on the same day on the Gregorian calendar than someone who died in the morning.
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GenoProSupport (6/6/2006) The date conversion from Gregorian calendar to Hebrew is not always accurate. Depending on the time of the day, the same date may be span two days in the Hebrew calendar. In the Hebrew calendar, the day starts at sunset (Genesis, Ch.1 v.5); but for lunar-based calendar calculation, the zero-hour used is at 1800h (6 p.m.) civil time, or Jerusalem meridian 2 hours 21 minutes East of Greenwich time. As a result, someone who died after 6 p.m. will not be on the same day on the Gregorian calendar than someone who died in the morning.I'm well aware of that calculation. Can you add a checkbox for after sunset indication? If this checkbox is checked then you take the following Hebrew date. Thus, 6 Jun 2006 without the checkbox checked will be 11 Sivan 5766 and with the checkbox checked it will be 12 Sivan 5766?
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Aren't there simple programs out there that quickly calculate the appropriate Hebrew date from a Gregorian date? I agree that some kind of "after sunset" check would be necessary. BTW the thirteenth month is Adar II which comes about every few years, seemingly in no simple order, so the above program is necessary. Uri
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I now have the following output:Today 's date in the Gregorian calendar: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 Today 's date in the Hebrew calendar: 5766 סיוון 11 DayOfWeek: יום רביעי Months in the Hebrew calendar: Month #1 (Jan): ניסן Month #2 (Feb): אייר Month #3 (Mar): סיוון Month #4 (Apr): תמוז Month #5 (May): אב Month #6 (Jun): אלול Month #7 (Jul): תשרי Month #8 (Aug): חשוון Month #9 (Sep): כסלו Month #10 (Oct): טבת Month #11 (Nov): שבט Month #12 (Dec): אדר Month #13 (Sol): אדרב GenoPro will eventually support time (hours & minutes), so there will be no need to have a checkbox to specify if the event occurred before or after the sunset.
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GenoProSupport (6/6/2006) GenoPro will eventually support time (hours & minutes), so there will be no need to have a checkbox to specify if the event occurred before or after the sunset.What if I don't know the time? I think it will be easier on you if you have the checkbox. Time can not tell you if it is before or after sunset. For example 19:00 on winter is after sunset while on summer it is still day. You will have to know the exact time of sunset to know if you have to change dates.
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Yes the date as it appears in the page you mentioned is correct, in the Gregorian and the Hebrew calandar. Just Remember that after sunset the Hebrew calander will advance to the next day.
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After revising my code, came to the conclusion the Hebrewmonths were not rotated properly. Is this correct? Today 's date in the Gregorian calendar: Friday, June 16, 2006 Today 's date in the Hebrew calendar: 5766 סיוון 20 DayOfWeek: יום שישי Months in the Hebrew calendar: Month #1 (Nisan): ניסן Month #2 (Iyyar): אייר Month #3 (Sivan): סיוון Month #4 (Tamuz): תמוז Month #5 (Av): אב Month #6 (Elul): אלול Month #7 (Tishrei): תשרי Month #8 (Cheshvan): חשוון Month #9 (Kislev): כסלו Month #10 (Tevet): טבת Month #11 (Shvat): שבט Month #12 (AdarI): אדר Month #13 (AdarII): אדרב
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After revising my code, came to the conclusion the Hebrewmonths were not rotated properly. Is this correct? Today 's date in the Gregorian calendar: Friday, June 16, 2006 Today 's date in the Hebrew calendar: 5766 סיוון 20 DayOfWeek: יום שישי Yes. This is the correct date.
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Yehudad (6/16/2006) Yes. This is the correct date.Great. The changes will be in Beta 16d.
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GenoProSupport (6/16/2006) Great. The changes will be in Beta 16d.Will this fix will solve the problem I have with converting Gregorian years to Hebrew years?
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[Will this fix will solve the problem I have with converting Gregorian years to Hebrew years? Nope. What you are asking is nearly impossible because the date parser is not capable to recognize two years within the same date. If you enter a year in a given calendar, GenoPro will do its best to approximate this year in a different calendar, however it may not be the exact year because some years to "overlap". By the way, I have fixed the problem of a date being one day off, from the Gregorian calendar to the Hebrew calendar. I am using the page http://familytrees.genopro.com/DateConvertCalendar.aspx as the reference.
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Nope. What you are asking is nearly impossible because the date parser is not capable to recognize two years within the same date. If you enter a year in a given calendar, GenoPro will do its best to approximate this year in a different calendar, however it may not be the exact year because some years to "overlap". By the way, I have fixed the problem of a date being one day off, from the Gregorian calendar to the Hebrew calendar. I am using the page http://familytrees.genopro.com/DateConvertCalendar.aspx as the reference. There are more than a few cases in a family tree that you only have a year as approximate date. GenoPro must have some logic to deal with such dates. In my example I told you that the conversion resulted in -262 which is simply an error. It means that the calander is not working. If you try to convert just a year in the page http://familytrees.genopro.com/DateConvertCalendar.aspx you will get an application error. As I said in that discussion GenoPro need to find a way to convert, otherwise many people in the family tree will have meaningless numbers as dates. As I said there 2006 can be 5766 as it is the Hebrew year for most of 2006. Only in September/October it changes to 5767. So 5766 can be the Hebrew year for 2006, when only a year is the date. The same applies to any other year.
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GenoPro does not support negative years yet. If you switch calendars, make sure the dates range from 0001 AD to 9999 AD in the Gregorian calendar.
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GenoProSupport (6/18/2006) GenoPro does not support negative years yet. If you switch calendars, make sure the dates range from 0001 AD to 9999 AD in the Gregorian calendar.It is!!! I sent you an email in this regard. I do have a valid year! I have someone who was born Abt 1980. This is what I have, just the year (approximate age). The conversion is to a negative number! Try entering just 1980 in the page you mentioned without any day or month - you will get an application error!
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You are right. Entering Abt 1980 (Gregorian) gives ~5740 (Hebrew) on the debug build, however on the release version, the result is a negative number. I spend 99.9% of my time testing the debug version because it has internal sanity checks for data integrity.This time, it is the opposite; the debug build works fine and the release version doesn't work. I am investigating this.
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I found what the problem was. Somehow the compiler optimized the code by calling the functions in a different order.c = FunctionA() + FunctionB() |
On my debug build, FunctionA was called before FunctionB , however on the release build (the one you got), it is FunctionB which was called first, followed by FunctionA . Well, in the case of converting dates to a different calendar, FunctionA may change some values for FunctionB . Calling FunctionB first produces the wrong result. The result was a garbage date value. If you download Beta 16e, the date conversion whould work fine.
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Thanks a lot. It looks much better
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Not sure whether to report this here as a feature, or a new topic under bug.
If you have a range of dates for people, some are under Julian calendar but in UK this was replaced in 1754 (or 5 - can not remember at present) So after that date entries were Gregorian. It does not seem possible to have different calendars on the same GenoMap or even the same file. I am trying to alter existing data, not enter new information
Second I have found that entering 'Abt 1562' is converted to ~1562 in the Birth/Properties table but the display only shows 1562.
Finally if I use the year 1562/63 in the table it is accepted, sort of, in that the table shows 1562/63 against a pink background but nothing appears on the display
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The current design allows only one calendar at the time. GenoPro cannot display a date in Gregorian and Hebrew calendar simultaneously.
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GenoProSupport (6/6/2006) I now have the following output: Today 's date in the Gregorian calendar: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 Today 's date in the Hebrew calendar: 5766 סיוון 11 DayOfWeek: יום רביעי This is the correct Hebrew date. GenoProSupport (6/6/2006)
Months in the Hebrew calendar: Month #1 (Jan): ניסן Month #2 (Feb): אייר Month #3 (Mar): סיוון Month #4 (Apr): תמוז Month #5 (May): אב Month #6 (Jun): אלול Month #7 (Jul): תשרי Month #8 (Aug): חשוון Month #9 (Sep): כסלו Month #10 (Oct): טבת Month #11 (Nov): שבט Month #12 (Dec): אדר Month #13 (Sol): אדרב What is the meaning of the month in brackets?
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It is possible the conversion of months is wrong. In fact, I just noticed I forgot the 13th month in the Hebrew calendar . This is really embarassing. Can someone tell me what is the proper date (in the Hebrew calendar) and I will adjust/rotate the months so they appear correct. This is the output from GenoPro: Output from GenoPro Months in the Hebrew calendar: Month #1 (Jan): ינואר Month #2 (Feb): פברואר Month #3 (Mar): מרץ Month #4 (Apr): אפריל Month #5 (May): מאי Month #6 (Jun): יוני Month #7 (Jul): יולי Month #8 (Aug): אוגוסט Month #9 (Sep): ספטמבר Month #10 (Oct): אוקטובר Month #11 (Nov): נובמבר Month #12 (Dec): דצמבר Month #13 (Sol): This is the second mistake. You have the Gregorian months with their translation to Hebrew. The correct one should be: Month #1 (Tishrei): תשרי Month #2 (Cheshvan): חשוון Month #3 (Kislev): כסלו Month #4 (Tevet): טבת Month #5 (Shevat): שבט Month #6 (Adar): אדר Month #7 (Nisan): ניסן Month #8 (Iyar): אייר Month #9 (Sivan): סיוון Month #10 (Tammuz): תמוז Month #11 (Av): אב Month #12 (Elul): אלול As you saw the Hebrew calander is very problematic. Rosh Hashana which is the holiday of the start of the year is in Tishrei (Month #1), but it is actually Month #7 according to the Bible. The first month is Nisan (Month #7). From what I see, I can only guess that the translation you used is using the Bible method. By that today's month is Sivan which is the 3rd from Nisan, by using the Gregorian calander and it's 3rd month you got March!! Therefore, I think that the correct order should be: Month #1 (Nisan): ניסן Month #2 (Iyar): אייר Month #3 (Sivan): סיוון Month #4 (Tammuz): תמוז Month #5 (Av): אב Month #6 (Elul): אלול Month #7 (Tishrei): תשרי Month #8 (Cheshvan): חשוון Month #9 (Kislev): כסלו Month #10 (Tevet): טבת Month #11 (Shevat): שבט Month #12 (Adar): אדר Month #13 (Adar II): אדר ב in case of a 13 months year Month #12 becomes Adar I - אדר א. Hope that this is not too confusing...
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This is the output from GenoPro: Output from GenoPro
Today 's date in the Gregorian calendar: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 Today 's date in the Hebrew calendar: יום רביעי, מרץ 11, 5766 This is the first mistake. The month is wrong. Today's date in the Hebrew calander is 11 Sivan 5766. What you quoted is right in day and year. The Month which is written is March in Hebrew!! it should be סיון, which is how Sivan written in Hebrew.
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