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How can I mark a sex change/ sex reversal

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Posted Wednesday, December 6, 2006 - Post #15044
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I have a person which has changed her gender. How can I mark that.

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Posted Thursday, December 7, 2006 - Post #15051
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At present I would change the sex to 'Don't know' and put comments about the date of change. This is not so much a cop out in that it depends on the date whether the person should be considered male or female - so you really do not know in this case
Posted Thursday, December 7, 2006 - Post #15057
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I have a person which has changed her gender. How can I mark that.

It is always difficult to have a visual representation of a change, whatever the individual changed his/her name, gender, address, martial status, social relationship or emotional relationship.  For instance, two individuals may be in love and now hate each other.  How to display the change of the emotional relationship?  I don't have an easy solution for this.

My suggestion would be using the most recent / current gender as the person currently lives and write a comment about it.  If you do a special genogram (family tree) of many individuals having gender changed, you may create a legend with a special color.

Posted Thursday, December 7, 2006 - Post #15067
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Thank your for your comments. I know, that is it difficult to show changes. If someone is in love and later in hate is not important for a classical genogram. But the changing of gender has a lot significanes going with.

First he was a father and has own children with his wife, today she is a mother and has with her new husband new children (of course the children of her husband).  I think to use a special colour is not enough for clarification.

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Posted Thursday, December 7, 2006 - Post #15068
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Do you have suggestions?  I am a solution-oriented individual, as I am always open to new ideas and suggestions to solve problems...
Posted Thursday, December 7, 2006 - Post #15070
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When I first looked at this my first idea was to create a hyperlinked copy and then to change the sex of the copy. Did not work as it changes the sex of the original at the same time. But is this a possible way forward - to have a different order of hyperlink, which would have to specifically invoked?

I have used a similar idea to show a possible break in my family tree. An ancestor, Elizabeth, had a child in 1797. In 1770 a Betty was baptised as daughter of Joshua and this is the only record that fits but it is not proof yet.

On the genogram I have put Elizabeth at the top of our tree and Betty at the foot of her family. The link by hyperlink demonstrates a probable connection which is qualified by comments. The Report does show Betty is the daughter of Joshua but does contain the note qualifying the link
Posted Thursday, December 7, 2006 - Post #15071
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Just my two pence worth...

In this situation I think that using the 'Don't Know' option is a bit of a cop-out, as well as the fact that the '?' doesn't look very good in the Genogram.

I know we are very close to the final version, but is it possible to add another 'shape' as a miscellaneous or other category (as opposed to Male, Female, Pet and Don't Know)? The shape could be an octagon or something, and allow people to define it's function.

My other suggestion, using the program 'as-is', is to use the 'Pet' option. It doesn't define a gender, and the diamond shape is distinct enough to be seen clearly. Of course, you can only do this if you aren't including pets in your tree, and I don't know what happens if you generate a report!! (Would you get something like 'FemaleA married her Pet?)Wink

Cheers,

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Posted Thursday, December 7, 2006 - Post #15089
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create a hyperlinked copy

When a person has a sex change, it will usually be accompanied by a name change. It is practically a re-birth.  I agree that the person should be copied to a new genomap where their new relationships are to be stored. Then create the new person along-side the hyperlinked individual and connect by an emotional line.  The English Narrative Report will not see these people as one, but surely in reality they are not, surely it is as though one person stops living and another life starts. 

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Posted Friday, December 8, 2006 - Post #15094
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poolzone makes a good point about name change. This of course is more common than a sex change (or gender reassignment), but it raises similar problems. You can resolve some of the problems by making a hyperlink and using the Alternative Name and Display Name fields to reflect the name change, and typing alternative text in the Full Name field to show the change in the report, but this seems a bit of a fudge.

If I am correct, at present GenoPro ties certain information to an individual - Name(s), Dates (birth and death), Gender, Parents, Spouse(s) and Children, History - and when a hyperlinked individual is created this information is copied and cannot be edited without changing the original at the same time; display information can be changed independently (colours, displayed name, etc.).

As I see it, what is required is a new type of hyperlink where the Names and Gender of the hyperlinked individual are not tied to the original. This would need a new designation, and 'Alias' springs to mind. (I remembered this from v1 of GenoPro - I opened up v1.91b for the first time in years, and creating an alias I found you could change these parameters, but there seemed to be no link with the original individual - even the report showed them as 2 individuals.) You could then enter the new Names and/or Gender for the Alias, but all the other data for the individual would be retained. (I can't agree with poolzone that a sex change means a new life - perhaps a new beginning, but you can't lose the history of that person, at least not for genealogy purposes.)

For the purpose of the report there would probably have to be some sort of check box and comment on the Alias to designate what, why and when the change took place.

Just my thoughts for discussion.

Posted Friday, December 8, 2006 - Post #15096
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With using Alias some more discussion needed because of the report generator w00t

What if the name history of an individual is handled (of course after v2 :heheSmile like the education (start date, end date, etc)? Especially as the full name can be changed due to different reasons, like marriage, simple name change by the individual, becoming a Dr or Lord Smile, etc. Of course, this need the rethink of the display name usage.

Though it is not so common, but it can be applied to the gender changes.

As Dan is thinking about the event based GenoPro, maybe this fits...



Feri


Edited: Friday, December 8, 2006 by fbukolyi


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