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Thank you for Version 2014.05.05 which I have used and now appears to be creating the desired CENS records rather than just RESI,
However, I am confused by your suggestion to use parent & child Census Source recordings and do not understand how that would work.
Originally, I stored relevant details as Comments for each individual but have now expanded into the available Source fields so that each source is now of the form . . .
Parent Source - 1891 UK Census
Source Title/Name - RG12/345/67/89
Source Media Type - Census
Citation Reference - Class: RG12; Piece: 345; Folio: 67; Page: 89; (for compatibility with output from Ancestry but a pain to input manually)
Publication Date - 05/04/1891
Comments - 1891 census - Piece 345, Folio 67, Page 89 - living at Any Street, Any Town, Any County.
All other fields are normally blank. The Source Title/Name then links to the Source field under the Contact tab, where Occupancy Place is specified.
If I find that I have made an error/omission in some of the source specifications, any subsequent correction leads to a new source record being created rather than just an update of the existing record. If that source is already being used for other individuals in the family then the correction does not get promulgated. Should there not be an option for the user to choose which mode should apply?
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Version 2014.05.05 is now available (http://support.genopro.com/Topic25071.aspx  . Hopefully this improves export of census data.
You may do something similar already but the way I suggest to record Census Source is using a parent & child Source. The parent Source has the main Census title, e.g. UK Census 1891, with Media Type Census and now the date e.g. 5 Apr 1891 and I agree that Publication Date is probably the best field to use as the only available date field. Then each reference to this Census is a child Source holding the citation details. For Export to Gedcom to treat it as a citation it must have one or more of the three fields Where in Source, Quoted Text and Confidence Level. It can optionally have Title and Comments but no other fields. So put the reference in Where in Source e.g. RG12/1234/123/11 and any text transcribed from the entries in Quoted Text. An image of the census page can be added as a Picture.
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Sorry for the delay in answering, I have been busy on other matters.
Regarding the different presentations for the Source properties, I think the reason might be that the dimensions of the dialog windows is deliberately small as historically GenoPro can be be used on early versions of Windows with small screen resolutions, so in some dialogs with a table at the bottom fields are limited to the most common ones, but there is always a full Edit version available when required. To tidy up your multiple instances of Source/Citations you can use GenoPro's 'Delete' menu option available at the bottom of the ' Table Layout' Menu and select Source/Citations. When you select and delete an entry in that list GenoPro then prompts you for a substitute to replace references to that entry. p.s. Hope to have proposed revisions to ' Export to Gedcom' ready in a day or so.
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Thanks for the introduction to the full Source / Citation Properties dialog.
Why are the contents sometimes different when viewed via Contact tab and Sources tab?
I have separately just found that there can be multiple instances of a Source Title in the drop down list with different data associated with them. This has been causing me much grief. How do I safely delete the unwanted instances and avoid causing data irregularities?
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The Source 'Edition' field is visible in the the full Source / Citation Properties dialog. Tab into the single Source field on Contacts dialog and either press Ctrl & E or right click and choose Edit Source. Alternatively under the Contact Sources Tab click the Edit button when the correct Source is selected in the table at the bottom of the dialog.
I am happy to pick up the Publication date instead. Perhaps the logic should be : Use occupancy start/end date if identical (i.e. not date range) otherwise Source Edition if present otherwise Source Publication Date. This allows for 'proper' use of Publication date if required by anyone else.
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I think that I understand what you are proposing to do but am confused by Source/Citation 'Edition' field. Is that the one marked "Citation Reference (where in source)"? I currently use that field to record "Piece xxx, Folio yyy, Page zzz" information relating to the census.
Although Publication Date is not strictly correct for a census, that is the only date field present and I have used that to record the date of the census when Source Media Type is set to Census.
In order to avoid blanks in the "Source Title / Source Name" field for census sources I have this recorded in the form "RG10/587/11/21" to allow matching with the corresponding Contact details.
Is that compatible with what you are proposing?
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I see the problem here. If there are two sources for residence/occupancy info then you should not have to record the place twice in Contacts and there is a case to RESI and CENS tags to be generated.
A potential problem is that the Source/Citation record in GenoPro does not have an event date, only date of publication which for a Census is not the same thing. A work-around is to use the Source/Citation 'Edition' field to record the date for the Census, either just the year or alternatively the actual date on which the Census was conducted, in Gedcom format e.g. 3 APR 1881 for UK 1881 Census. There is I believe an existing problem with the current Export If the Contact has more than one Source (i.e. via Sources tab) then then Census record includes these sources but generally the additional sources refer to the residency or contact details (e.g. RESI Gedcom tag. Therefore I propose to change the script to work as follows: If a Config Param Census option set AND Contact entry has an occupancy place AND any Source/Citation with MediaType 'Census' AND either Source edition set or occupancy start and end dates identical then: - generate a CENS gedcom entry with subtag DATE set to Source 'Edition' if present otherwise occupancy Start/End date and a reference to the Source.
- If occupancy start and end dates are not identical OR there is more than one Source/Citation reference then also generate a RESI gedcom entry without a reference to the Census Source.
Otherwise if an occupancy place present generate a RESI Gedcom entry as normal footnote: I can neither confirm or deny your postulation regarding Source identifier matching. My input and knowledge of GenoPro code is limited to Report Generator skins only. Only Dan knows the internal workings of GenoPro.exe.
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Thanks for the explanation Genome. Part of the problem was that I was expecting both RESI and CENS records to be created for the same instance. Sometimes Residence is shown for a long period with widely spaced Start and End dates. A Census is normally conducted on a single date within such a period of residence.
I will come back with further details if I find that your explanation does not match what is produced.
Please will you confirm (or deny) that the matching of Source identifier between Contact and Source records only goes as far as the first blank character? Sometimes I select the Source within the Contact tab from the drop down list but information following a blank seems to be ignored, or treated as a comment.
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My 'Export to Gedcom' Report skin attempts to map as much of the GenoPro data as possible on to equivalent Gedom tags.
Occupancy data within a Contact entry is only treated as a Census entry when the Configuration Parameters setting for Census records is set on and the single Source field of a Contact points to a Source/Citation entry with 'MediaType' set to 'Census'. Note that entries under the Contact's Sources tab are not checked. If these criteria are not met then the occupancy data is exported under a RESI tag. If you think I have overlooked something then please provide a sample .gno file and the required/expected Gedcom output.
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Another error has been noticed in the same process . . .
Not all CENS and RESI records are being included in the gedcom file.
Primary residence facts are stored within the Contact tab but do not always get exported.
Similarly, some Source tab facts are marked as Census records but do not always get exported.
What are the selection criteria if not all instances are to be output?
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