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I am thinking the Marriage dialog should be similar to the Pictures dialog with a list of all applicable marriages, including religious and civil. That would be great!
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I know of couples who have had more than one religious ceremony where the bride and groom are of differing religions - Hindu/Buddhist, Hindu/Christian.I am very glad you are brigning this issue. I am thinking the Marriage dialog should be similar to the Pictures dialog with a list of all applicable marriages, including religious and civil. One great advantage of this design is the possibility to leave the marriage type (civil or religious) blank if unknown. I am seriously thinking of doing it for Beta15.
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To complicate matters further, I know of couples who have had more than one religious ceremony where the bride and groom are of differing religions - Hindu/Buddhist, Hindu/Christian. There are therefore two religious ceremonies to record, and to omit one would probably offend one or other of the families.You can get over this by duplicating the marriage and the relationship links (but not the individuals), and superimposing over the original, with the second religious ceremony being recorded on the duplicate. However, it's a bit of a fudge, and the report then generates two marriages. This is probably one feature best left until after v2.0
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Ok... same solution at the same time  :
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I was also thinking that there would be no need for a separate "Title" as for the names, but that "Priest/Minister" could be replaced by "Officiator" and the title be added by the user as part of the name.Adding another "Title box" would add more work for Dan , but could be added for a later version, whereas changing the subject is more simple to do.
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The "Title" of the "Officiator" could be added such as "Father O'Brian" , "Reverend Smith" , "Rabbi Cohen" etc. could be added to the name as required by the user without having to add yet another drop down choice box . I don't know how the other religions address their leaders. Yes, TITLE of the Officiator would be nice. Or simply put it in the name field itself and eliminate inserting the title PRIEST in the Report Generator. Priest/Minister would be labeled Officiated by: Then you could enter Pastor George Coleman.
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Well I tell how it will work in a country where you have shintoism, budism and christianity side by side.
You go to the city ward office, ask for the application form, fill in the forms, ask two witnesses to fingerprint or utilize their registered stamp to confirm the facts on the paper, go back to the ward office and ask the clark to prepare the papers. A few minutes later (or more) you will get a small envelope with you wedding certificate (may be A5 size) back from this clark. That's it. This is the official part. Then comes the part for the family and the relatives. A shinto style ceremony will be arranged with a priest (or a city official) to wish you a happy life, the relatives will sit behind you and nod their heads and stand up when asked to. Afterwards you celebrate with relatives and friends. You can make this simple or in a big style, depending on your status in the society (and you bank account). Many young people will have a wedding arranged in a church attended by a western priest. The shinto style ceremony will be attended by a "go-in-between", usually a company superior with his wife or a couple with a good reputation. If you experience problems in your marriage, they are the ones to be consulted first.
This is only a very brief outline how it works.
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The Marriage section is somewhat Christian/Western oriented at present. How about Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, etc. ceremonies? I'm no expert, but I guess that they are not officiated by a Priest/Minister. Is a more neutral term needed like ' Officiated by' ? As this forum is mostly in English with French as the mother tongue of the developer, it is natural that there will be a bias towards the western culture but it seems that this is being corrected by various international members. Though I am not particularly religous, I do feel that you have a valid point here, as your idea of "Officiated by" would be the the least likely to offend any religous sensibilities and could be used by anyone. The "Title" of the "Officiator" could be added such as "Father O'Brian" , "Reverend Smith" , "Rabbi Cohen" etc. could be added to the name as required by the user without having to add yet another drop down choice box . I don't know how the other religions address their leaders.
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appleshaw (9/8/2005)
In the present example of marriage, GenoPro has the heading 'Priest / Minister' for the field. Many of my ancestors were Non-Conformist (Wesleyan) and would have been horrified to think that they had been married by a Priest. This means that we also need a means of distinguishing between the headings of the field in the Report Generator. I suspect that this does not exist at present as it is not entered into the database.
The Marriage section is somewhat Christian/Western oriented at present. How about Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, etc. ceremonies? I'm no expert, but I guess that they are not officiated by a Priest/Minister. Is a more neutral term needed like 'Officiated by' ?
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Yes, it was a religious ceremony, but not by a priest. If it was not a priest, you have the choice to change it in your dictionary.xml file, like many other things too.
One thing to consider is the ability of potential users to alter the default settings. If GenoPro is to succeed in a commercial world it has got to appeal to a wider range of people than Beta testers, who by definition have an interest in computing.
In the Family History Society that I belong to I would guess that at least half of the members are 'senior citizens'. In the Computer Branch meetings we see many members who have little idea of the workings of a PC; they would not know how to alter these files and would be put off at the thought of doing so.
I would suggest that the default position should be the simplest version with the ability to add if necessary and where the user has the knowledge.
In the present example of marriage, GenoPro has the heading 'Priest / Minister' for the field. Many of my ancestors were Non-Conformist (Wesleyan) and would have been horrified to think that they had been married by a Priest. This means that we also need a means of distinguishing between the headings of the field in the Report Generator. I suspect that this does not exist at present as it is not entered into the database.
Apologies for not splitting this into two topics; comments on marriage reporting and a new topic of default version of the Report Generator but the second has arisen from the first.
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