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Akerbeltz

Posted Tuesday, June 28, 2011 - Post #28616

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Hi guys,

Been a while and I just noticed to my shock my language had dropped below 50%. One thing I noticed is that there seem to be a lot more phrase generation strings such as {0} objects selected.

That works for English where you have one form of a noun for 1 and another form for anything more than one, including 0. But a lot of languages are more complex than that (apologies if I'm asking something that's already been sorted but I searched for plural rules and couldn't find any).

Compare the ruleset Mozilla (the folk who do Firefox) have: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Localization_and_Plurals

Is there anything comparable on GenoPro (yet)? I just want to ask before I re-start translation.

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plural, plurals

Edited: Monday, February 20, 2012 by GenoProSupport

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Posted Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - Post #28668

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Please don't all answer at the same time! Wink

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Posted Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - Post #28669

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The translation use the same technology as the Phrase generator use by Ron and others to create nice report.

If you have special plural rules (0,1,2, 2+ elements). You can do it with conditional.

Take your time and read this document:

http://www.genopro.com/sdk/Report-Generator/Phrase/

There is PLENTY of example in it, if you have more questions you are welcome.

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Posted Saturday, February 18, 2012 - Post #29812

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Ok, this is a bit over my head I'm afraid. Let's say we have this string:

The family tree has {0} individuals and is too big for the AutoArrange!

Gaelic requires different handling of nouns following this pattern:

1, 11 require form I (duine)
2, 12 require form II (dhuine)
3-10, 13-19 require form III (daoine)
0, 20+ require form IV (duine)

So how do I have to code that?

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Posted Monday, February 20, 2012 - Post #29815

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Ideally, this has to be implemented inside GenoPro, unless you want to write your own function. Looking at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Localization_and_Plurals, it would not be too hard to implement.

Edited: Monday, February 20, 2012 by GenoProSupport

Akerbeltz

Posted Thursday, July 12, 2012 - Post #30359

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So how can I request that sort of thing is coded into GenoPro?

Addendum: Since response to this issue seems to be slow, would this workaround be ok? I found

[{?0=1} one more day][{!}{0} more days]

in the files. Which I re-modelled as

[{?0=1|11}{0} taigh][{?0=2|12}{0} thaigh][{?0=3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20}{0}taighean][{!}{0} taigh]

I'm not great shakes at code so feedback would be much appreciated.

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Edited: Saturday, July 28, 2012 by Akerbeltz

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Posted Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - Post #30474

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Ok, thanks jcmorin ... I'm a tiny little bit closer now Crazy

I have entered this:

http://www.akerbeltz.org/Pics/GenoPro/plurals01.jpg

But in live, that gives me strange stuff if I select objects:

http://www.akerbeltz.org/Pics/GenoPro/plurals02.jpg

Since I can't add *all* number manually, I tried to do an "or else" function but that creates real havoc:

http://www.akerbeltz.org/Pics/GenoPro/plurals03.jpg

And I also does not like me using OR:

http://www.akerbeltz.org/Pics/GenoPro/plurals04.jpg

What am I doing wrong?

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Posted Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - Post #30662

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Having read your latest post, I had an attempt at this using the Phrase Editor. The Else {!} applies to the immediately preceding conditional, so theretically to get the result you want you need to nest the clauses and should be able to use

Tha [{?0=1}{0} taigh][{!}[{?0=2}{0} thaigh][{!}[{?0=3}{0} taighean][{!}{0} taighaen]]]

But whilst this appears to work in the GenoPro Phrase Editor, when actually applied in a localization then the phrase template is not converted correctly as you have already discovered.

http://support.genopro.com/Uploads/Images/4b0f85fe-c331-4298-a2df-d3db.png

This seems therefore to be a real bug in GenoPro and perhaps is more easily fixed than the 'limitation' your refer too.

Perhaps Dan or JC could comment on this.

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Posted Friday, September 28, 2012 - Post #30718

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Just found another related bug.I was working on this:

The registration key '{0}' is not valid[ because it had expired [{?1=1}yesterday][{!}{1} days ago]].

and since Gaelic does not allow "days ago" until you get past 2, I tried

[{?1=1}an-dè][{?1=2}a-bhòin-dè][{!}{1} làithean air ais]

I get the right forms (ignoring the bad plurals) but for yesterday I now get this weird one:

an-dè1 làithean air ais

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Posted Saturday, September 29, 2012 - Post #30723

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As before you need to nest the 'else' phrases

[{?1=1}an-dè][{!}[{?1=2}a-bhòin-dè][{!}{1} làithean air ais]]

'lego audio video erro ergo disco' or "I read, I listen, I watch, I make mistakes, therefore I learn"

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