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OK .. I've done some DNA testing, have learned a little more about DNA testing, and have played around with Genopro a little more to spell out some requirements a little more clearly.
I think GenoPro is uniquely positioned to combine a graphical view of a family tree and all the data that gets generated from DNA testing and related tools.
A brief high level summary of DNA:
https://www.familytreedna.com/understanding-dna.aspx
So there are 4 main ways we can look at our DNA:
- Y-DNA ... your father's father's father's line .. only men have it .. can be displayed in a regular "patrilineal" genomap
- mt-DNA ... your mother's mother's mother's line ... everyone has it ... but only women can pass it on to their children ... can be displayed in a "matrilineal" genomap
- Autosomal DNA ... we get 50% from each of our parents .. 25% from each grandparent .. 12.5 from each great-great grandparent ... good for looking back 5 or 6 generations and possibly connecting to 5th cousins, etc. ... we can possibly create one or more genomaps to compare subsets of tested people and map which of their chromosomes match and were inherited from specific ancestors
- X-DNA ... men get this from their mother's only, women get it from their mother's and father's ... haven't wrapped my mind around this yet or what I'd like to see.
Possible Visual Labelling:
 - The dark blue in the upper left represents a person who has taken the biggest/most accurate test possible (eg, Y-111 for Y-DNA, or mt-Full Sequence for mt-DNA)
- The silver in the upper right represents a person who has taken a less accurate test (eg Y-12, -25, -37, or -67 for Y-DNA, or a HVR1, or HVR1 and HVR2 for mt-DNA)
- The orange-yellow in the lower left represents results that have been "populated". Eg, it is assumed someone's father has the same Y-DNA as their son that did the test.
- The orange in the lower right is for labels, and things out of scope.
First off .. Y-DNA:
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/dna-basics/ydna/
When you get your Y-DNA results back, they will give you a "predicted" Y-Haplogroup and your results will look like this for 25 STR markers:
or like this for Y-111:
Here's a map of how they thought Y-Haplogroups had migrated in 2006:
It's basically a bunch of random numbers unless you join a Surname or Haplogroup project and compare your STR markers against those with similar markers.
Here's a genomap of one family where 4 people have done Y-DNA tests:
 - Two men outlined in darker blue have done Y-111 tests ... and belong to different "haplogroups":
- one is R-M269 (on the left of the genomap) .. and I labelled him and his male line with "brown" (there are 4 men with brown gender symbols)
- another is I-P37 (in the lower centre/left) and I labelled him and his male line with a darker blue in their gender symbol
- Two men are outlined in silver have down Y-12 tests
- They are both 2nd cousins of the I-P37 tester
- The one just to the right of him is the same haplogroup and has darker blue in their gender symbol,
- And the one further to the right is a different haplogroup (J-M27) and has cyan in their gender symbol
- All the males ancestors and descendants of these men are outlined in orange-yellow
- Women and men from separate/unknown lines have no outline
Here is the set of Tags I have started setting up for Y-DNA:
I will probably eventually add 111 tags to this to represent all the STR test results. Here is a list of them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Y-STR_markers
They are usually shown in colorized tables like this: The markers highlighted in purple mutate faster than the markers in blue.
The STRs slowly mutate over time:
https://isogg.org/wiki/Mutation_rates
Here is someone who has started mapping their family's Y-DNA mutation history:
http://hurlbutdna.pbworks.com/w/page/19764793/Mutation%20Descent%20Chart
Here is another one from Skip Duett:
GD=x/111 means the "Genetic Distance" at 111 markers = x, and then he spells out which ones don't match/have mutated.
REQUESTS:
- Is there a way I can change the Legend so it will say: "I-P37 Y-Haplogroup" if the inside of the gender symbol is blue, and "xxxx" if it's another colour?
- Is there a way I can get it to say "Actual" or "Populated" depending on the colour of the outer shading?
- The Legend doesn't seem to accurately count the number of women and men that don't have any colouring. It just lists them all as 32 women.
- For the Y Tag field: YActualorPopulated ... if it's Populated .. can I somehow show which relative it pulled the data from. Or show that the data is "expected" or "populated" and not "Actual" data?
- Perhaps another Colour can be added for an NPE (Non Paternal Event or Not Parent Expected). ie, you would expect your brother to have the same Y-DNA as you, but he doesn't due to infidelity, adoption, etc
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event
- https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29588109-the-stranger-in-my-genes
- Is there a way to add a Social Relationship between 2 men, and when I hover over the relationship display .... or create a Table where all the information is displayed:
- Their relationship: 2nd Cousin, 3rd cousin, Uncle, Nephew, Brother, etc
- A graphic of their Kinship Relationship. I don't mind running it separately for a small number of people, as long as I can insert it as a .png. It gets output as a .pdf file and I don't want to take screenshots.
- Show the Genetic Distance and mutating STRs?
Edited: Saturday, January 20, 2018 by
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Mitochondrial DNA (mt-DNA) is passed from a mother to her children, and has a very low mutation rate. So a man's mt-DNA matches his mother's but he does not pass his on.
It was used to confirm Richard III was buried under a parking lot in England by matching it to living descendants.
Here is an image of how it is passed on:
And here is how they matched Richard III to a living descendant:
mt-DNA is a ring, as shown below. Initial tests only looked at HVR1 (Highly Variable Region 1), then expanded to include HVR2, and finally HVR1, HVR2, and the Coding Region.
Your results are presented by showing where they differ from a set standard (rCRS) in each of the 3 regions:
And they give you a map to show where your maternal line migrated from:
All the various mt-DNA Haplogroups are managed on this site, if you want to see how the various branches are connected to one another.
http://www.phylotree.org/
So, I applied the same display rules as in the Y-DNA chart:- Dark Blue = full mt-DNA sequence
- Silver = just HVR1 or HVR1 and HVR2
- Yellow-Orange = populated test results
- Orange = Labels/Social Entities
I list each individual as a "Subordinate" of their mother, and I connect the oldest matriarch to the mt-DNA Haplogroup.
Once again, I'm having issues with the Legend appearing correctly. It's lumping all the men and women in orange into one category. Is there a way to change the legend labels?
The tags I've created so far are:
I haven't added fields yet for the various HVR1, HVR2, and coding region results .... I am not sure how to enter data where there may be 0, 1 or n results. For example, in the above test results, HVR1 had 1 delta, HVR2 had 6, and the Coding Region had 15 items. Any suggestions?
Would there be a way to generate a report to identify which people have matching mt-DNA, or include it in the narrative report?
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From Edward Tufte's Beautiful Evidence ... p. 79... subheading Efficiency of Design he says "... the omnipresent boxes of organization charts are rarely needed. If every name is highlighted, no name is. .... Omitting boxes increases explanatory resolution."
So, I modified the design of the mt-DNA and Y-DNA charts.
Instead of putting boxes around all the "populated" results, I changed the Display setting to show that their mt-DNA Haplogroup has been Populated.
- Can the Legend be fixed?
- Can the Display be unique for these mt-DNA genomaps (ie, to display a certain tag), while other genomaps display Birth and Death Dates or other tags?
- Is there a way text can appear above the Social Relationship lines? (eg, Subordinate, # of cM shared, relationship, etc)
I removed all the "populated" boxes on the patrilineal/Y-DNA genomap too, and increased the size of the gender icon for the males where I think I know their Y-DNA.
- Once again, can the Legend be fixed?
- Can the Tags displayed be different that what is set for other genomaps?
- Can I add/link Icons next to certain individuals to show what level of testing they have done? for example:
      ... etc .. and which Haplogroup they are:    
The technology is rapidly advancing, so what was previously incredibly expensive and time consuming is now possible and affordable.
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Well there is huge amount of information to digest in your posts which I struggled with somewhat as although the fog around DNA has lifted a little it is still not exactly clear to me.But I will try to be of help if I can. As to you latest questions,
1. Can the legend be fixed?
A. Rather than hoping for a fix in GenoPro, very unlikely as GenoProX is the focus, why not roll your own legend? The legends are purely standard GenoMap elements e.g. labels and individuals (albeit with mark as label'' flags set) you can create it yourself. OK it will not have the counts GenoPro inserts when creating a legend but I doubt if they are of great benefit. Here is one I started:  Note that I am suggesting a different labelling scheme here, with the border colour indicating Haplogroup, the gender symol colour indicating, Actual test, populated result etc, and what are originally medical condition indicators re-purposed as type of test /NPE indicators. The latter is achieved by setting your language to one that is geneerally not used e.g. code AA (or Afar) and then under Languages / Translate Menus set as follows at the bottom of the list  In this way when you hover over an indiviudual GenoPro will give a tooltip with for example the value 'Actual, BigY' GenoPro also displays any comments associated with that individual and so I suggest you store genetic distance and any differences in the first line of comments e.g.  Note that these translations do not appear on genomaps generated by the Narrative Report nor do the original medical conditions.2. Can the Tags displayed be different that what is set for other genomaps?All tags must be the same source, the only way I can think off of achieving what you ask is to use a custom tag for the display tag and then somehow populate that tag with either your dna data or the standard e.g. YoB-YoD. This would require say an modofication to the XML Toolkit or a bespoke report skin to do this by generating the custom tag from your dna custom tags or DoB DoD as required.
3. Can I add/link Icons next to certain individuals to show what level of testing they have done? for example:
Yes of course you can use labels or social entities with pictures to add the extra graphics to your GenoMap, or maybe the labelling scheme I have outlined above will suffice?
In your earlier post you asked:6. Is there a way to add a Social Relationship between 2 men, and when I hover over the relationship display .... or create a Table where all the information is displayed:
Any info you put in the comment field of the SR will show in tooltip, but again some scripting/programming would be required to automatically populate the comment with kinship details
'lego audio video erro ergo disco' or "I read, I listen, I watch, I make mistakes, therefore I learn"
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I'm totally new to GenoPro, so take this with a grain of salt (I'm only vaguely familiar with the features), but I'm fairly familiar with genetic genealogy, so I've been mulling over a lot of the same questions.
Depending on how much information you want to be able to see at a glance, you can make the solution very complex or pretty simple. I'm thinking, for instance, to show mtDNA heritage simply by changing the display color of the icon used for the individuals in the matrilineal line. Custom tags seem like a pretty simple way to indicate who has tested with what company/ies, and their results in the match lists at the various sites can (as far as I can tell) even be linked. (THAT seems very handy!)
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