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Posted Sunday, March 11, 2007 - Post #16761
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Ron, you are absolutely right: this is not an issue of GenoPro (which has outstanding Unicode support) nor of 'your'(!) fabulous Report Generator. As I mentioned in my earlier posts, it looks like some rendering issues (which I first thought was limited to the SVG viewer, but now I see is more general) of the Indian / Eastern Language fonts. We have come a long way from Windows 98, where we had many installable fonts for a given language, sometimes with character sets incompatible with each other; to XP where we have Unicode support. Will try on Vista where the problem might have magically disappeared...

In Gujrati, to get for example the letter શ્રી, you add શ્ + ર to get શ્ર and then add ‍ી  to finnaly get શ્રી. This is why, in firefox and SVG, it shows up as શ્ ર‍ી. In Telegu, I guess the same is happening...

Edit: Tried it on Vista with Firefox - and as expected, the problem is no more!

Edited: Sunday, March 11, 2007 by gv

Posted Saturday, March 10, 2007 - Post #16744
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Thanks for the feedback Nadiminti,

Language diferences are diverse, and differences occur even within languages. I thought of this limerick when I saw a dancing irishman on an Indian language website. Forum moderators are welcome to remove this limerick if preffered.

There was this young lass from Madras,
Who had a most remarkable as s,
It wasn't round and pink,
As some of you might think,
But was grey, had long ears, and ate grass.

Keep up the efforts Nadimini, the efoorts will benefit us all.

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Edited: Saturday, March 10, 2007 by poolzone

Posted Saturday, March 10, 2007 - Post #16740
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Hi Ron, poolzone

I have tried the suggestions and I think it is not a problem of SVG / Genopro. As I change the font (I have atleast 10 different Telugu Fonts), I found the problem level is varying. The Font Rendering / re-rendering is not done correctly.

The best explanation I found so far is here. http://bhashaindia.com/Developers/IndianLang/IndicScript/oslevel.htm

I would post any developments

thanks


Edited: Saturday, March 10, 2007 by nadiminti
Posted Saturday, March 10, 2007 - Post #16738
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Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Enabling_complex_text_support_for_Indic_scripts provides access to a font they suggest will overcome this issue with SVG. It appears to be a Font issue and not Genopro related as Ron suggests.
 


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Edited: Saturday, March 10, 2007 by poolzone
Posted Saturday, March 10, 2007 - Post #16737
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There might be something like difference among commonly used and correct fonts for double letters in some East european fonts. Ill set up table to make comparison..

Letter ;Commonly used latin font typing ; correct latin font ; cyrillic font

nj (n+j); NJ, Nj, nj ; NJ, Nj, nj  ;  Њ, Њ, њ

lj (l+j); LJ, Lj, lj ; LJ, Lj, lj  ; Љ, Љ, љ

dž (d+ž); DŽ, Dž, dž ; DZ, Dz, dz or DŽ, Dž, dž ; Џ, Џ, џ

Try C/P and you'll see the difference, then you might try to see how they behave! .. some tools and programs don't even recognize special (correct) fonts at all! And if you try to use conversion tools latin->cyrillic you'll get results only for l+j, n+j etc.

Maybe in some common use and/or incorrect conversion lies the reason for this font problems!... If this is the case other way of typing might help. Unfortunately not all writings are fully supported by most fonts (In my country we had 6 different writings through ages... and although all of them are in theory supported by Unicode it's impossible to find a font that is functional with all of them at the same time).

One can always try to use some other more or less universal font i.e. "Code 2000", "Code 2001" etc. (I know I had to when I tried to right greek texts with correct accents...)


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Edited: Saturday, March 10, 2007 by V.L.o
Posted Saturday, March 10, 2007 - Post #16736
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I'm afraid I have no idea what is wrong here. I note that using IE the detail header for Rajeshree Amratlal is shown as
 
but using Firefox it is shown incorrectly as

and so it is not only SVG that is affected. It appears to be a font rendering issue with Adobe SVG and Firefox and not a fault of GenoPro Report Generator. My knowledge of international fonts is virtually nil and so I hope there is someone else out there who can be of assistance. Unsure



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Posted Saturday, March 10, 2007 - Post #16734
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Ron: Please see my post http://support.genopro.com/FindPost16719.aspx above in this topic...

In http://familytrees.genopro.com/gv/GujratiTest/ which is in English and Gujrati (another indian language), I use Arial Unicode Ms and have the same problem in SVG. Some names - not all, are different: check individual Rajeshree Amratlal રાજેશ્રી અમ્રતલાલ રઘુવંશિ which in SVG is rendered differently... It should be રાજેશ્રી

Edited: Saturday, March 10, 2007 by gv

Posted Saturday, March 10, 2007 - Post #16729
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I see at least one problem here. You are using font Vemana2000 that is not available on many users systems. This is why Poolzone's post shows boxes instead of Telugu characters. I copied one of your .svg files and changed the font to 'Arial Unicode MS', one of the few fonts that has all possible Unicode characters. I was then able to see Telugu characters. But not knowing what they should look like I cannot tell whether the problem is still there. Could you try changing your font in GenoPro to 'Arial Unicode MS' (assuming you have it installed) and see if it makes a difference.

It is possible to embed fonts within .svg files when using Adobe SVG Viewer but I'm not sure about the position with Firefox and what the legal position is regarding distributing fonts in this way.

I think that the rest of the report shows correctly in Telugu because the browser can select the encoding, and no font is indicated in the HTML


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Posted Friday, March 9, 2007 - Post #16724
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Hi
For Clarity I am Posting the same here again.

The SVG does not show the same characters entered (in my case it is Telugu - the characters are distorted when viewing the map in the Tree area.)

On the otherhand, the characters are OK while showing in the grid.
Posted Friday, March 9, 2007 - Post #16722
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I will post a screen shot , so that if Ron journeys by, he may be able to see the problem.



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Edited: Friday, March 9, 2007 by poolzone



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