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Author GenoPro Family Wizard begins with "Husband/Father & Wife/Mother"
Posted Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - Post #41046
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Hi - good product - originally purchased in 2012 and just paid you for a 2020 upgrade

However, the product is looking significantly embarrassing with respect to how families are constructed nowadays (both socially AND legally).

For instance: the GenoPro Family Wizard opens a dialog box asking for "Husband/Father" information and "Wife/Mother". Put another way, how would you expect my husband and I (another male) to use this dialog box?

Similarly, the "New Child" dialog box offers four options for Gender: "Male / Female / Pet / Don't know". Gender-non-binary has been socially recognised for a while now, as has gender-neutral. "Don't Know" is not a suitable alternative (and "Pet" is definitely an inappropriate choice).



I'd look forward to entering a dialogue with you about bringing GeoPro up to date with respect to real-life families and gender!
Posted Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - Post #41047
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Looking further into the product, I do see now that there are several different options to be found (WRT "sexual orientation" and "gender identification")

Maybe better to consider how we phrase gender identification nowadays. Not all folk who identify differently to their assigned birth gender use the term "transgender", or identity as "Male, Female, Pet, Don't Know" after they settle with their gender identity. I think that needs work in this software. 

http://support.genopro.com/Uploads/Images/b77c0941-1433-4e05-bc3f-7b92.png




Definitely an issue with the Family Wizard dialog offering "Husband / Wife" though Blink
Posted Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - Post #41048
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Hi, thank you for your comment. We constantly update GenoPro to satisfy the current needs, wishes and requirements of the communities and social workers around the world, and we welcome all input that can help us build a better product.

The Family Wizard is meant to facilitate creating a Union between two individuals and the children that are attached (adopted, conceived, fostered, etc...) to that union.  

What titles would you suggest for the Family Wizard?   How about "Spouse/Parent" ?  Would that work?

Just to make sure I understand correctly.   A Non-Binary Gender is a person who does not identify as either male or female, or may identify as both.  Is that correct?
As GenoPro is used for some legal issues, and often by Social Workers, with the interest of providing accurate support information, do you know any regions where Non-Binary Gender is legally accepted as a gender?

What would be a better term for "Transgender"?

Thank you for helping us build a better product.

Edited: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 by GenoPro dev2
Posted Monday, January 11, 2021 - Post #41055
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I appreciate where the OP is coming from (having two gay members in my extended family) but I wouldn't like to see the terms Husband/Father and Wife/Mother completely disappear from the Family Wizard or from anywhere in GenoPro for that matter. Regardless of gender self-identification which comes later in life, every person at birth has a father (male) and a mother (female) which can't be ignored either genealogically or biologically. These traditional terms have appeared and are used as sources of identification in Baptism, Birth, Marriage and sometimes even some Death records for centuries. To me, the Family Wizard is not just the union of two people, regardless of gender identification, but a record of the biological father and mother of an individual at the time of birth.

Perhaps Husband/Father/Spouse/Parent and Wife/Mother/Spouse/Parent would cover all possibilties.

Bob

Edited: Monday, January 11, 2021 by bogistad
Posted Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - Post #41206
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Can someone help? I do not see where I add sexual orientation or transgender to my genogram. I also do not see how to add a miscarriage to the genogram. I have added a screen shot so you can see what I am looking at.
Thank you
http://support.genopro.com/Uploads/Images/4b4f5367-b749-43ef-b50e-309e.png


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Edited: Thursday, February 18, 2021 by GenoProSupport
Posted Wednesday, February 17, 2021 - Post #41207
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These are not displayed by default.  You simply to click Tools on the menu bar then Options and then tick the Display Genogram Tab then Ok


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Posted Friday, March 26, 2021 - Post #41335
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Since June 15, 2017, non-binary, marked with an X on state ID's, is a legal gender in Oregon. The X can also be used to identify people who are intersexed (people who are born with variations in sex characteristics that do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies).  I also do not see a way to mark someone as intersex in GenoPro, although I have not looked very hard as I have not needed it yet.
Posted Saturday, March 27, 2021 - Post #41336
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There is an option to add a person and then change gender to Don't Know using ? on the display.
Posted Saturday, March 27, 2021 - Post #41337
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There is an option to add a person and then change gender to Don't Know using ? on the display.


But "don't know" is different from the known state of being non-binary or intersexed.

One of my great-grandparents had 5 siblings but no one knows the name or gender of the 5th.

A member of my church is locally famous for suing because a judge would not let them change their official state gender marker to X for non-binary despite meeting the state requirements.

My childhood neighbor is in a book of nude art photographs of people born intersexed.

In the first case, gender is unknown, in the second two, it is known but not "male" or "female".
Posted Sunday, March 28, 2021 - Post #41338
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As far as I am concerned "don't know" is no different from the known state of being non-binary or intersexed. However that is not being helpful so need to think around this.
GenoPro v.1 was devised in the last century! The basic concept of a database of data which can be displayed on a graphical display has been improved with time and the user has the ability to enhance the basic display. The user can not add more fields such as an alternative defination of gender although the use Tags can extend them.

The first approach is to modify the display
   1.  Use colours to show variants. The ? symbol can be changed for each person. You can add a menu to explain each variant.
   2.  Change the symbol to the diamond shape - which can also be coloured with a different colour in each quadrant
   3.  Add a comment on the main page and from the Display menu on the main page make comments visible

Finally  Do what I have just done. Explore the possibilities of the program. I have just seen on the Genogram tab of the main menu that these problems have been addressed with options to add Transgender or Sexual Orientation data.

We can all learn although I still do not know what HeteroFlexible means


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