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Posted Monday, November 19, 2007 - Post #19869
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In early 19th century - and earlier - family history there are many times when a link might be established as either probable or only possible. As the idea of fostering is fairly recent, I only use adoption where children are taken over by other people (normally relatives) This means that the Foster link is not used and can be used to indicate where more work is needed. The use of a dotted line is useful for this and I change the colour to make it stand out.

I then realised that it should be possible to modify a Custom Skin to show the words 'probable' etc instead of Foster. I first hacked at Dictionary.xml but this is not enough and may be completely the wrong place, although a Report did emerge with no obvious changes.
I then found that Lang.vbs also contains Foster information but this is less direct ie seems to be using variables to construct the text.
Before I get completely confused, could you advise me which files need to be modified for this - or am I trying something that is not really going to work?
Posted Monday, November 19, 2007 - Post #19870
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Maybe the changes should be done in GenoPro rather than the report generator.

There are two posts somewhat similar to your suggestion: Probables or Possibles Child and/or adopted by father or adopted by mother.

Suggestions are welcome.

Posted Monday, November 19, 2007 - Post #19871
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Maybe the changes should be done in GenoPro rather than the report generator.

Agree with that. It has been raised at Uncertain Pedigree link.
However this is a temporary work-around as I assume it can not get into the final update of GenoPro2007.


Edited: Monday, November 19, 2007 by GenoProSupport
Posted Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - Post #19876
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Maybe the changes should be done in GenoPro rather than the report generator.

I would also appreciate this possibility for indicating "possible/probable" children as I also use the census returns for my England research on line.

England only has the BMD Indexes whereas Scotland also has the images of the full BMD Entries showing parents and full dates and places at Scotlands People though this is not free.

I have many entries in my tree that are taken from Census images or extracts that I would like to indicate as "possible" with a broken line different from "adopted" or "foster"

I am preparing for my major Christmas update of my trees.

Posted Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - Post #19881
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Maybe the changes should be done in GenoPro rather than the report generator.

Agree with that. It has been raised at Uncertain Pedigree link.
However this is a temporary work-around as I assume it can not get into the final update of GenoPro2007.

A (interim?) solution could be to define two Custom Tags for Pedigree Links, CertaintyLevel & CertaintyParent. The first would have values 0=definite (default), 1=probably, 2=possibly, 3=perhaps. The second tag indicates about which parent the uncertainty exists : 0=father,  1=mother, 2=both.

These would be translated via the Dictionary when generating a Narrative Report. So we would have:

Jane's father is possibly John Doe and her mother is Mary Bloggs.

or if CertaintyParent=2 and level=1

Jane's father is probably John Doe and her mother is probably Mary Bloggs. 

On the parents page maybe the child's name under the Children subsection could be qualified with the uncertainty level e.g.

Jane Doe (John Doe is possibly her father)

It would be nice to show a probable link as a dotted line. But although GenoPro allows you to make a dotted line (i.e. foster link) solid, contrarily it does not allow a solid line to become dotted! It would be better if the 'solid line' check box in the Pedigree Link Properties was ticked when the line is solid by default, and allow the user to uncheck it to produce a dotted line when required.


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Posted Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - Post #19882
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Ron (11/20/2007)
A (interim?) solution could be to define two Custom Tags for Pedigree Links, CertaintyLevel & CertaintyParent. The first would have values 0=definite (default), 1=probably, 2=possibly, 3=perhaps. The second tag indicates about which parent the uncertainty exists : 0=father,  1=mother, 2=both.

I haven't yet got my head round all these CustomTags so would prefer it to be a part of GenoPro with an option in the pedigree link drop down menu. It would be a lot simpler for the less technically minded like me.

Edited: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 by GenoProSupport

Posted Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - Post #19883
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Ron's post gave me a couple ideas.  One would be to have another type of link named "possible child".  I am not sure if this link should be an upgrade of the current pedigree link, or a separate type of link possibly named "possible child" connecting two individuals directly rather than an individual to a family.

I am more in favor of a separate link because there is a lot of heavy code already under the current Pedigree Link.  The current pedigree link is the backbone to locate parents, children, siblings, ancestors and descendants.  Changing the internal structure of the current pedigree link is quite a task and risky.  On the other hand, a new type of object, similar to the pedigree link is much easier.  Also, it would be easier to query those "probable children" by just quering how many such links are connected to an individual.

Edited: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 by GenoProSupport

Posted Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - Post #19893
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Since foster childs are not working properly (see my latest comment on this, without any reactions so far) I doubt whether any new kind of non-natural relation is going to work well. The problem lies in the timeline where the foster child is not properly handled.

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Posted Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - Post #19897
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I would like to know how you would like to have possible child displayed.  Would the following display be ok, or you prefer a pedigree link named "possible child"?

Posted Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - Post #19904
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When a child is born before marriage, I add the father if known with an unmarried link (greyed out). If his name is no known I name him  "Unknown" and link the child to the so formed family line. Then I create the main family with husband and all other children are connected to this family line.

This way it is clear that the first child is not issue of the father of the other children.

I would like to see a simple alternative to "adopted" or "foster" showing the pedigree link as a normal one but with a differently coloured dotted line which gives the title "possible child" or "possible parents" when the report is generated.

At the moment I have to colour the pedigree link red and add a text box to indicate that this colour indicates an unsure link for the svg and add some comments to each person.

Perhaps the "foster" line could be renamed "probable child" and given a red dotted line, as foster children are usually short term and not related to the host family and whose details could be added to the comments if desired, whereas adopted children become a permanent part of the new adoptive family.

Fostering is more a social relationship than a family one, to my mind, as there is no permanent link.

This could save making major changes perhaps?

Edited: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 by IainTait



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