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Author Use Foster link to indicate uncertainty
Posted Friday, January 2, 2009 - Post #23323
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Having looked at the results of using the earlier version of the Dictionary to replace Foster links with Probable links, I now see that the changes needed for the Timeline are in the same file.

I have attached a revision of the Dictionary from the 2.0.1.7RC4 where there is a cautious replacement of the word 'Foster' with 'probable'. This does lead to some clumsy wording in places eg 'They also had a probable son named Caleb.' which would be better as 'They also probably had a son named Caleb.' However it works at a basic level.

There may be knock on effects from this change. An obvious one is that the Kinship calculator does not work across a 'foster' link. However if you are not sure of the link it probably does not matter.

Hope there are no other problems


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Posted Thursday, January 1, 2009 - Post #23317
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Happy New Year to all of you, even if your year starts at a different date.

I have now taken a look at how to indicate probable family connections by adapting the Foster Pedigree link. Although the method suggested by Ron in post #19881, using Custom Tags, is preferable, the rough and ready route involves a 'hack' of Dictionary.xml (see attachment). At present it does not alter the Timeline, which now looks a bit odd but there is always stage 2. Not so easy at first sight.
The text shown in the example below works fairly well but where there are definite children of the probable/possible parents then text is of the form
"They had a biological son and a biological daughter, named Caleb and Elizabeth. They also had a probable son named Joshua." which is not so good


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Edited: Thursday, January 1, 2009 by appleshaw
Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 - Post #19939
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Early versions of GenoPro Gamma could include the "probable child" link, so you can test it and see if you like it and it gives the results you want.  We may discover other side effects of such a link, such as a child having multiple parents and so on.

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Posted Sunday, November 25, 2007 - Post #19935
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I wonder if appleshaw's example is more a case of possible identity rather than possible/probable child/parent? There are two possibilities for the earlier life of Thomas Gibson(1), both of whom have known parent(s). This case could be handled by a new social relationship 'possible identity' or 'possibly the same as'. This could be easily documented in a report under the existing relationships section.

A possible/probable child pedigiree link is still required. It could be re-inforced where require with a social relationship indicating the possible/probable parent. I suggest possible is used when there is more than one candidate for a parent.




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Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 - Post #19916
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I think that I caused a confusion with this thread in that the idea of Foster child and uncertain parentage are two separate issues. In the present setup links are either yes/no, which is fine for genealogy but too exact for family history. So I 'borrowed' the Foster link to show uncertainty, as I do not need it for its original purpose and did not think that it could be added at this stage. I then asked if the Report Generator could be modified to use the Foster link as 'probable' link.

If an additional feature can be added to GenoPro2007 that will be very useful. Otherwise I hope it will soon be available for testing in the next Beta
Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 - Post #19911
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IainTait (11/22/2007)
Would it take long to do this change to the "foster child" link ? I would like to be able to correct these problems in my tree before I update my web trees this ChristmasTongue:

I can add new features to GenoPro 2007, but cannot change anything to GenoPro 2007 to honor compatibility with others using GenoPro 2007.  I will need to write code to migrate all "foster children" from a pedigree link to a social relationship in order to make room for the "probable child".  Before doing this wowever, I want to make sure it is the right thing to do.

Early versions of GenoPro Gamma could include the "probable child" link, so you can test it and see if you like it and it gives the results you want.  We may discover other side effects of such a link, such as a child having multiple parents and so on.

I have a questions regarding foster child.  Typically a foster child is taken care by a family; not an individual.  So the foster child would still be more a special pedigree link than a social relationship.  At the moment the social relationship can link only individuals and/or social entities together, however cannot link the family object.

Edited: Thursday, November 22, 2007 by GenoProSupport

Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 - Post #19910
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Adding an extra item named "Probable Child" to the pedigree list is very trivial.

Fostering is more a social relationship than a family one, to my mind, as there is no permanent link.

Very smart.  The "foster child" relationship was in early version, before the social relationship was there.  A foster child is indeed more a social relationship than a pedigree link. 

Would it take long to do this change to the "foster child" link ? I would like to be able to correct these problems in my tree before I update my web trees this ChristmasTongue:

Edited: Thursday, November 22, 2007 by GenoProSupport

Posted Thursday, November 22, 2007 - Post #19908
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This is the sort of problem you get from old parish registers (only IGI transcript so far - originals might help). I have used the position on a GenoMap to indicate probable family connection. In some other cases I have added an emotional link to show possible linkages, or used the Foster child link which can be coloured, although the pattern is fixed.

One problem here is that there are two possible parents for Thomas Gibson; one record from 1730 and the other from 1735. It is possible to show this either by linking child as foster child or parent to the known marriage (and ignore warning message). The following image shows both versions

Posted Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - Post #19905
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IainTait (11/21/2007)
I would like to see a simple alternative to "adopted" or "foster" showing the pedigree link as a normal one but with a differently coloured dotted line which gives the title "possible child" or "possible parents" when the report is generated.

Adding an extra item named "Probable Child" to the pedigree list is very trivial.

Perhaps the "foster" line could be renamed "probable child" and given a red dotted line, as foster children are usually short term and not related to the host family and whose details could be added to the comments if desired, whereas adopted children become a permanent part of the new adoptive family.

Fostering is more a social relationship than a family one, to my mind, as there is no permanent link.

Very smart.  The "foster child" relationship was in early version, before the social relationship was there.  A foster child is indeed more a social relationship than a pedigree link.

This could save making major changes perhaps?

Yes indeed.  It is always nice to have users posting suggestions.  Multiple brains is better than a single brain - for sure! Tongue:

Edited: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 by GenoProSupport

Posted Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - Post #19904
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When a child is born before marriage, I add the father if known with an unmarried link (greyed out). If his name is no known I name him  "Unknown" and link the child to the so formed family line. Then I create the main family with husband and all other children are connected to this family line.

This way it is clear that the first child is not issue of the father of the other children.

I would like to see a simple alternative to "adopted" or "foster" showing the pedigree link as a normal one but with a differently coloured dotted line which gives the title "possible child" or "possible parents" when the report is generated.

At the moment I have to colour the pedigree link red and add a text box to indicate that this colour indicates an unsure link for the svg and add some comments to each person.

Perhaps the "foster" line could be renamed "probable child" and given a red dotted line, as foster children are usually short term and not related to the host family and whose details could be added to the comments if desired, whereas adopted children become a permanent part of the new adoptive family.

Fostering is more a social relationship than a family one, to my mind, as there is no permanent link.

This could save making major changes perhaps?

Edited: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 by IainTait



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